Experience, shmecksperience

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
The following quote came from another thread. I moved it here so as not to get off topic in that thread.

The young generation of today want to start at the big dogs spot and the heck with earning their way. I sound sinicle but thats reality.

I'm not sure I get your meaning. When Diane and I entered the business in 2003, we did so as drivers of a fleet owner's truck. We had no trucking experience whatsoever.

From the very first day, we got paid the same (gross to the truck) as anyone else contracting with that carrier. In our first thirty days our gross-to-the-truck numbers exceeded those of many seasoned veterans. There was no working your way up to that rate of pay because of experience. A newbie and a 20-year veteran got the same rate per mile.

That might be a little different in line-haul companies where the drivers are employees, but even there, the advertised rates I see for experienced drivers vary by only a tiny amount over inexperienced.

Looking at it another way, we have eight years of experience and a pretty good track record now. If we moved to a carrier that does not require experience, our experience would count for nothing in terms of commanding a higher rate per mile. A newbie would have the exact same opportunity to earn the exact same money, and being more motivated than us may well outperform us, just as we outperformed many old salts when we were new.

Looking at it from the shipper's point of view, there is no premium paid for experience. The load boards do not advertise an extra five cents a mile for experience drivers. No contract I have ever heard of between a shipper and carrier provides a premium price for experienced drivers.

From still another point of view, if two newbies start on the same day and a year later one has a perfect record and the other has one accident, two freight damage claims and two service failures for being late, if the carrier keeps both people on board, both will be paid the same.

No one gave us a pay raise after we had been in the business one year. No one gave us a pay raise after we had been in the business five years. No one will give us a pay raise after we have been in the business ten years.

It does not matter how long you are in the expediting business. You will always work for entry-level pay.

Experience, schmecksperience. Just haul the freight.
 
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xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I have to admit by often being humored hearing some talk about expediting. It isn't rocket science, pick up at point A deliver to point B. If you can manage that you can do the job.

Of course you can get into best places to set, saving fuel and all the other things but the basics of the job just isn't that tuff to achieve.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Experience isn't necessary until you need it.

I would have to disagree on that one Dave. We put a Newbie in our one truck solo, it was a nightmare. It was the first time we ever had to give money back to a customer because a driver was 2 hours late on a load. I would rather have a driver that has been in the business for six months than someone that just came out of school. This guy had driven OTR, before just not expediting. He ran the truck out of fuel three times in two weeks. The 2nd time my wife gave him a $200.00 Com Check for fuel, and he didn't even put the fuel in the truck that night. We asked him why he didn't cash the Com Check and he said I was waiting on my next load before I put fuel in the truck.

I think Experience is something that does help a fleet owner.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I would have to disagree on that one Dave. We put a Newbie in our one truck solo, it was a nightmare. It was the first time we ever had to give money back to a customer because a driver was 2 hours late on a load. I would rather have a driver that has been in the business for six months than someone that just came out of school. This guy had driven OTR, before just not expediting. He ran the truck out of fuel three times in two weeks. The 2nd time my wife gave him a $200.00 Com Check for fuel, and he didn't even put the fuel in the truck that night. We asked him why he didn't cash the Com Check and he said I was waiting on my next load before I put fuel in the truck.

I think Experience is something that does help a fleet owner.

Oh...it does but some could never be convinced of that. Pretty much why we don't hire the "the inexperienced".
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I think Experience is something that does help a fleet owner.


Yes, experience can help. So can GOOD training from an owner. I started straight out of school I rode with my owner for a couple of months prior to taking over the truck. That training helped us both a LOT.

It is also more than possible to find a good 'newbie' and more than possible to find crummy experienced drivers.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
So I wonder, if Phil read my question about years in trucking and what that means?

This is what I was driving at, thanks Phil.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Oh...it does but some could never be convinced of that. Pretty much why we don't hire the "the inexperienced".

This was my first and last time I put a newbie in a truck solo. I try to always put the with a lead driver in a team truck. I do feel that a lead driver should make more money than a co driver. I remember when I started out Roger and Bill Hunt paid their Co drivers 13% to start.

Times was different back then too. they was getting about 3500 to 4500 loaded miles a week too at 1.41 a mile all in also.
 
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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Have to find that balance to get a decent driver. Which of course helps, if you have a little experience and know what to look for.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
This was my first and last time I put a newbie in a truck solo. I try to always put the with a lead driver in a team truck. I do feel that a lead driver should make more money than a co driver. I remember when I started out Roger and Bill Hunt paid their Co drivers 13% to start.

Times was different back then too. they was getting about 3500 to 4500 loaded miles a week too at 1.41 a mile all in also.

You have more patience than I do. I won't pair anyone in a truck except a "same household" team. Too many personal agenda items and having to be a relationship counselor.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I think Experience is something that does help a fleet owner.


Yes, experience can help. So can GOOD training from an owner. I started straight out of school I rode with my owner for a couple of months prior to taking over the truck. That training helped us both a LOT.

It is also more than possible to find a good 'newbie' and more than possible to find crummy experienced drivers.

You can't train a driver over the phone. That is why I like to hire drivers that have been in the business for some time or put them with someone who has been expediting for six months.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
No one gave us a pay raise after we had been in the business one year. No one gave us a pay raise after we had been in the business five years.

Con-Way Now gave me a 1½ percent increase in my take of the total linehaul charges after 5 years. I also saw at least one across the board tariff increase. Since then it has been a steady decline. Just last week I opted for another pay cut. My pay is inversely proportional to my experience.
 

scottm4211

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Con-Way Now gave me a 1½ percent increase in my take of the total linehaul charges after 5 years. I also saw at least one across the board tariff increase. Since then it has been a steady decline. Just last week I opted for another pay cut. My pay is inversely proportional to my experience.

When you gonna get the hint :p
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
You can't train a driver over the phone. That is why I like to hire drivers that have been in the business for some time or put them with someone who has been expediting for six months.

I was not trained on the phone. I rode with the owner for two months. THEN I took over the truck.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I put a newbie solo in my first truck, and he did an awesome job. Couldn't have asked for any better. To this day he's the best driver I've ever had.
 

john12666

Active Expediter
i,m starting my third week in expiditing .....i have no expiditing and almost no otr expiriance i,m told i am doing very well i worked at fed ex ground for five years though and know how to drive the truck and how to make deliverys on time though
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I put a newbie solo in my first truck, and he did an awesome job. Couldn't have asked for any better. To this day he's the best driver I've ever had.

Do you still have his picture on the wall?

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