Evil has a face - ok, two of them

RLENT

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I think someone needs to look up the demographics of the four Kentucky counties which carried Obama, taking a close look at Elliott County in particular, and see what then becomes "apparent."
Oh yes, I would agree: they should ...

And not only that, but they should also take a look at voter registration by party as well ... and see what becomes apparent from that:

http://elect.ky.gov/SiteCollectionDocuments/Election Statistics/statcnty.txt

Here's the Excecutive Summary for those that don't wanna use their fingers and toes:

Out of all counties in Kentucky (120 ?), 85 counties have more Democratic registered voters than Republican ... in many cases - if not most - by a rather substantial margin.
 
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muttly

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From Wikipedia ( Emphasis mine)
Although Kentucky had been won by Southern Democrat Bill Clinton twice in the 1990s, Obama was seen as a poor cultural fit for the state, and he DID NOT COMPETE HERE EITHER TIME HE RAN.

The Romney campaign also attacked Obama's administration as being HOSTILE TO THE COAL INDUSTRY, HISTORICALLY AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE STATES ECONOMY, because of its environmental harm. CONSEQUENTLY Obama suffered a historically poor showing in the traditionally staunchly Democratic COALFIELDS OF EASTERN KENTUCKY. Many counties which had voted even for landslide Democratic losers like George McGovern and Walter Mondale defected to the Republicans. Knott County, which had given Bill Clinton 73% of the vote in 1996, gave Mitt Romney 73% of the vote in 2012. Even Elliott County, the only county in the state in which Obama had broken 60% in 2008, barely held on in 2012, giving Obama a narrow 49-47 plurality win, his only victory in the region, and one of just four county wins in the entire state.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Kentucky,_2012
 
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RLENT

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Yeah, yeah ... it's all strictly about culture and coal in Appalachia ... and race played no factor whatsoever :rolleyes: ... as the following video clearly shows ... rotflmao ...

(Warning: strong, racist and foul language contained in the video below - click at your own risk)


BTW - some of the comments by viewers are pretty hilarious ... ;)
 
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paullud

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Yeah, yeah ... it's all strictly about culture and coal in Appalachia ... and race played no factor whatsoever :rolleyes: ... as the following video clearly shows ... rotflmao ...

(Warning: strong, racist and foul language contained in the video below - click at your own risk)


BTW - some of the comments by viewers are pretty hilarious ... ;)

Who said that there weren't people that wouldn't vote for Obama because he is black? He was pointing out a glaring reason(apparently missed by you) for KY not to support Obama other than race as you claimed to be the issue.
 

muttly

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Who said that there weren't people that wouldn't vote for Obama because he is black? He was pointing out a glaring reason(apparently missed by you) for KY not to support Obama other than race as you claimed to be the issue.
Some will throw the race card out there if someone doesn't vote for a candidate who happens to be black. (Mainly to try to shame someone or to score political points with the voting constituency. You see politicians do that. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz comes to mind ) So they find an example of a racist to paint a whole group of people as being the same. Elliot county was one of the whitest counties in the country, yet voted for a black man by 60% in 2008. He beat the whitest of the white candidates too. McCain is a white man with white hair. An old white man to boot. And he still lost soundly to a black candidate who didn't even compete in the state. Even with some of his radical views exposed in 2008. Even with statements from him that might put the coal industry on the brink, one of the whitest counties in the country (#2) still voted for the black candidate. Only after four years of Obama's policies having their effect on people, such as with the economy dragging for a long time and the coal industry in peril, did Elliot county voters almost vote for Romney in their county. ALMOST... the very white county still voted more for the black candidate.
 

RLENT

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Who said that there weren't people that wouldn't vote for Obama because he is black? He was pointing out a glaring reason (apparently missed by you) for KY not to support Obama ...
A conclusion (highlighted) for which there is scant evidence ...

... other than race as you claimed to be the issue.
I didn't claim it to be the issue ... which I previously pointed out to you in a prior post ... but it's certainly an issue ...

And thus my comment.

I've observed the tone and tenor of enough online conversations in various forums - many of which come fairly close to unhinged rants - to deny the obvious ...

And FWIW: less than 1% of Kentucky's workforce is employed in the coal industry.
 

Turtle

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When you have to trot out anecdotal evidence and present it as being the rule rather than the exception to bolster what is already alleged to be "apparent," then it ain't all that apparent. On top of that, when you've got Muttly accurately making my point, you know your position is a weak and tenuous theory at best.

When you state the percentage of the white population and then directly reference "them" (not "some" of them, but flatly "them") as not being able to stomach a black man in the a White House, that's a direct cause and effect correlation which, because it's so apparent to you, doesn't imply any wiggle room for other possible issues. If there was any doubt about that, the video evidence presented to fortify your position on the matter cleared that right up. If you want to walk it back like that, then you should probably attach rear view mirrors to your sunglasses so you can better see where you've been.

Elliott County, Kentucky is more than 99% white and they gave Obama the largest margin of victory in the state. That's not anecdotal, that's reality. And that one county alone utterly refutes the notion that race in Kentucky played even a significant role, much less a primary or singular role, in the elections of 2008 and 2012. When you look at the percentages of the counties who voted most overwhelmingly for McCain and Romney, those percentages all fall woefully short of being able to show a racial cause and effect correlation with the white voters in Kentucky who couldn't stomach a black man in the White House., because all it takes is for one of "them' to vote contradictory to your premise in order to blow up the premise. If candidates other-than-Obama had received more than 85% of the vote in the state then you might be on to something. But that didn't happen. Not even close.
 
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aristotle

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Elliott County, KY is a sad, sad place to live one's life. It is plagued by illiteracy, poverty, drug-addicted residents where hope and ambition seem unobtainable. Per capita income of $14,000 per year. Too many of these Elliott County residents depend on government assistance. It is no different than a ghetto except it is populated by tragically poor whites. These may be the poorest white residents anywhere to be found in the United States. Elliott County typically votes for the Democrats because the Democrats are seen as the party most likely to offer them something for nothing. Elliott County votes the same as other tragically poor areas with no regard for race.
 

cheri1122

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The reason I see evil in the K Bros is how far above & beyond they have gone & are going to influence elections and education. Of course both sides do it, but making it more difficult to vote is far worse a transgression than throwing money into the races. It's worse, because tilting a candidate or race results in the election of one person, for 4-6 years, while eliminating voters from voting results in fundamentally dishonest elections for all races, from county to federal. It would be appropriate if there were any credible evidence of voter [as opposed to election] fraud, but there is none.
In their spurious claims to preventing voter fraud, the K brothers are funding election fraud. Because the majority of citizens do not agree with many of the K brothers ideologies, they are being effectively silenced at the polls. The result is that the K brothers can then claim a majority of voters agree with them, because the majority of those who were able to vote do.
Can anyone cite an equivalent effort by liberals to silence the voters who don't agree with them?
:confused:
 

cheri1122

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Elliott County, KY is a sad, sad place to live one's life. It is plagued by illiteracy, poverty, drug-addicted residents where hope and ambition seem unobtainable. Per capita income of $14,000 per year. Too many of these Elliott County residents depend on government assistance. It is no different than a ghetto except it is populated by tragically poor whites. These may be the poorest white residents anywhere to be found in the United States. Elliott County typically votes for the Democrats because the Democrats are seen as the party most likely to offer them something for nothing. Elliott County votes the same as other tragically poor areas with no regard for race.

That "Democrats offer voters something for nothing" bs is getting old already. Elliot County voters [like everywhere else] are not looking for handouts - or, they wouldn't be, if there were jobs they could get that would afford them self sufficiency. If education would improve their prospects, they'd be getting it - they're not stupid, as some believe, just broke.
The recent sensation over the Detroit man who went to such extraordinary lengths to get to work every day showed just how wrong the myth is, because there are a LOT of people whose hardships and struggles are great, but they're invisible to those whose beliefs they contradict. You can claim they don't exist, because you don't see them, because you're not looking for them.
 

LDB

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Yeah, there are just millions of people like the guy in Detroit compared to the dozens of multi-generational welfare recipients.
 

RLENT

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That "Democrats offer voters something for nothing" bs is getting old already. Elliot County voters [like everywhere else] are not looking for handouts - or, they wouldn't be, if there were jobs they could get that would afford them self sufficiency.
The loss of jobs in the coal industry is largely the result of management's decision to employ methods which dramatically have reduced the need for actual workers, decimating industry employment.

All of which pretty much occurred pre-Obama of course.

The recent sensation over the Detroit man who went to such extraordinary lengths to get to work every day showed just how wrong the myth is, because there are a LOT of people whose hardships and struggles are great, but they're invisible to those whose beliefs they contradict. You can claim they don't exist, because you don't see them, because you're not looking for them.
It's not just that folks aren't looking for them ... it's that they are deliberately shielding their eyes to avoid seeing them ... ;)

The ideological sauce that they are consuming simply won't permit facts that conflict with the posited "reality" ...

One can an idea of who has drunk deep from that well ... just by how often they parrot the talking points ...
 

aristotle

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Obama's embrace of sexual perversion crippled his electoral chances in socially conservative Kentucky. Two men or two women living together in a homosexual relationship is not a marriage and never can be. Kentuckians don't want their intelligence insulted by being told otherwise. By and large, Kentucky holds to the Biblical admonitions about the abomination of homosexual practices. Someday, Obama's reign of terror will be over and the debauchery he endorsed will be reversed.
 

RLENT

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Obama's support for upholding the Constitution to provide equal protection for all citizens under the law crippled his electoral chances in socially conservative Kentucky ... probably mostly because there is a significant portion of folks in socially conservative Kentucky that don't know the Constitution, or even actually understand the underlying principles and rights that it was designed to uphold.

Of course, there are a certain portion of folks down there that actually do know better - and yet choose to ignore those principles and rights (for others) owing to their religious fanaticism, believing that they have some sort of Divine Mandate to enforce said fanaticism on others ...

I call 'em America's Taliban ...

Two men or two women living together in a homosexual relationship is not a marriage and never can be. Kentuckians don't want their intelligence insulted by being told otherwise. By and large, Kentucky holds to the Biblical admonitions about the abomination of homosexual practices. Someday, Obama's reign of terror will be over and the debauchery he endorsed will be reversed.
I 'll check with ya this summer - around June or July - just to see how all that's going ... after the Supreme Court has a chance to weigh in.

Just hazarding a guess, if it's going anything like that "Support Southern Shippers" freight movement thingie, I wouldn't get my hopes up real high if I were you ... lol ...
 
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aristotle

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Coal production is not a factor in Elliott County's plight as they produce practically none. The presence of coal would dramatically improve their local economy, if they had any.

In 2006, Elliott County had one active coal mine producing only 20,000 tons for the entire year. That much coal falls off the trains in Kentucky. By contrast, Pike County produced more than 26 million tons that same year from a total of 155 active mines. Needless to say, Pike County's working families and financial institutions have accumulated enormous wealth thanks to coal.
 

RLENT

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Elliott County, KY is a sad, sad place to live one's life. It is plagued by illiteracy, poverty, drug-addicted residents where hope and ambition seem unobtainable. Per capita income of $14,000 per year. Too many of these Elliott County residents depend on government assistance. It is no different than a ghetto except it is populated by tragically poor whites. These may be the poorest white residents anywhere to be found in the United States...

By contrast, Pike County produced more than 26 million tons that same year from a total of 155 active mines. Needless to say, Pike County's working families and financial institutions have accumulated enormous wealth thanks to coal.
Oh yeah ... the citizenry of Pike is just rolling in "wealth" ... ;)

Elliot County:

The median income for a household in the county was $21,014, and the median income for a family was $27,125. Males had a median income of $29,593 versus $20,339 for females. The per capita income for the county was $12,067. About 20.80% of families and 25.90% of the population were below the poverty line, including 30.50% of those under age 18 and 26.40% of those age 65 or over.
Looks like Elliot has a bit of edge on that equal pay thing. Mebbe up in Elliot they're less inclined to go for that old-timey barefoot and pregnant social conservatism ...

Pike County:

The median income for a household in the county was $23,930, and the median income for a family was $29,302. Males had a median income of $32,332 versus $19,229 for females. The per capita income for the county was $14,005. About 20.60% of families and 23.40% of the population were below the poverty line, including 30.20% of those under age 18 and 16.10% of those age 65 or over.
So much for that "rising tide lifts all boats" thingie I guess ...
 
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cheri1122

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Yeah, there are just millions of people like the guy in Detroit compared to the dozens of multi-generational welfare recipients.

It's beyond scary that people who are extremely into the gun culture have such a [distorted] poor opinion of their fellow man, in general.
 

cheri1122

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Obama's embrace of sexual perversion crippled his electoral chances in socially conservative Kentucky. Two men or two women living together in a homosexual relationship is not a marriage and never can be. Kentuckians don't want their intelligence insulted by being told otherwise. By and large, Kentucky holds to the Biblical admonitions about the abomination of homosexual practices. Someday, Obama's reign of terror will be over and the debauchery he endorsed will be reversed.

The majority of Americans don't want their intelligence insulted by applying Biblical admonitions to our laws. What you "believe" [ie: sexual "perversion'] is your business, but the government belongs to us all.
 

aristotle

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What can coal do for the local economy? Look at the strength and assets held by local banks. Example: Pikeville, Kentucky (population 6,000) is home to Kentucky's 2nd largest bank, Community Trust bank, as rated by assets held at just over $3 Billion dollars.

Only Louisville's Republic Bank is larger at $3.8 Billion in assets. But then, Louisville has a diverse economy and dwarfs Pikeville in population. Community Trust bank, formerly known as Pikeville National Bank, was built around the coal economy primarily. We have hundreds of years of coal reserves waiting to be mined in the US.
 
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