Electronic Rumble Strips LDWS
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Actually it does. You take a typical legal day and it accounts for the fatigue behind the wheel very well by having an 10 hour reset. The HOS regs can't take in account the person's habits and how they regulate their sleep.
Problem is without HOS you are going to have amped up super truckers who want to drive for 30 hours.
Unfortunately there is no easy answer and the way HOS is set up just makes people feel safe. If I am tired I pull over and take a nap. Also, while some people may need 9 hours of sleep some may only need 5 or 6 to be safe.
I need at least 8 hours to feel good, but my wife rarely gets 6 for example
Well don't we have a group right here who drive vans 1000 miles at a time and claim they can do more?
There is an easy answer, be professional and refuse work you can't do.
I think it is just the opposite.
A solo can regulate their sleep easier and be more rested than a team because of the lack of a second person in the sleeper or cab. The distraction is the factor involved.
A team is a team, many don't take shifts in how they sleep because they seem to think they can catch up on sleep once the work is done.
He was not talking about the typical legal day.
Not many at all, we have people who say they can do that with a few hours sleep in the middle of the trip. Sure some will say they can and they can. Driving a van is not a wearing or tiring as driving a big truck. If your used to driving six hours a day 14 will kick your booty but, if you drive more on a regular basis you will be better able to handle it than the person who does not.
And don't decide for the next person what they can do based on what you can do.
Can you say convoluted?
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NTHEWIND
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It takes a lot to REALLY **** me off but this comment about why a few think Husband and wife teams not making 'professional/safe drivers!! I'll tell you something I'll take my and my wife's safety record with ANY two guy team It was a two guy team that just had the terrible crash, not H/W team.
nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
Dropping the split bunk was the worst thing on a team operation.Sleeping ten hours while truck is in motion can be a real challenge.Not being able to catch a power nap without loosing your 14 hr clock is also really hard on drivers.I run solo now.I still only sleep 4 or 5 hours at a time,but I do a couple hours nap everytime a start to feel tired,although,makes me mad I wake up in the same place I go to sleep.THere were many times while runnning team,not always the right person was behind the wheel,but my co drivers were not permitted in the passenger seat,and I never had a TV to give you a reason not to sleep.As a team,the first thing you learn is how to fall asleep fast.Linda did you not hear rthe rumple strips on the side of the road?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Yeah so??
Your one team out of how many on the road and I am not targeting any one person or team. I have no doubt that you and a few others are safe and careful drivers but out of how many who may not - I don't want to find out who they are by having them run me off the road or hit me.
What I am saying is couples usually want to do things together which has a opportunity cost to it, either you do something or sleep - can't do both. Teams who are not related and don't have similar interests seem to do things separately.
I don't know what happened with the FedEx team, maybe the in house FedEx safety person can fill us in with accurate info but outside of that, it is obvious that being up all day and then driving all night is a bad thing.
Xiggi,
If you have been up all day long, and are tired - refuse the work.
If they ever did a real world study of sleep in a actual truck going down the highway, team driving would be banned PERIOD.
Constant interruptions. I.E. Toll booths, Fueling, traffic lights, rough roads,Messages on the Qualcomm, the list goes on and on, Would cause sleep sensors to go berserk.
Another problem with the present rules. The assumption is that, when dispatch calls the driver has been sleeping for the past 8 hours. Dispatchers get very uptight when you refuse a load you dont feel safe to run. They always respond "you should take yourself out of service" this is unfair because shorter runs that could be done safely are denied.
Constant interruptions. I.E. Toll booths, Fueling, traffic lights, rough roads,Messages on the Qualcomm, the list goes on and on, Would cause sleep sensors to go berserk.
Another problem with the present rules. The assumption is that, when dispatch calls the driver has been sleeping for the past 8 hours. Dispatchers get very uptight when you refuse a load you dont feel safe to run. They always respond "you should take yourself out of service" this is unfair because shorter runs that could be done safely are denied.
Then nothing happens it has to "see" the lines. This new one is constantly correcting itself and checking to make sure it is reading the lines correctly.
One of the problems with our old one was two lane back roads and twisting and turning. We often would have to turn it off. I always wondered how it would have done in a T/T where it was calibrated for a trailer. I believe it is Maverick that runs the Iteris but I was never able to ask a driver about the system.
One of the problems with our old one was two lane back roads and twisting and turning. We often would have to turn it off. I always wondered how it would have done in a T/T where it was calibrated for a trailer. I believe it is Maverick that runs the Iteris but I was never able to ask a driver about the system.
Steve we all have our preferences and when we first started the 5 on 5 off was great but now I much prefer to drive my 10 - 11 hours and take a break where I can relax and then go to sleep. It seemed when we ran the 5 on 5 off I was always tired.
I agree with NTHEWIND husband and wives are the safest as far as I am concerned. I am probably prejudiced but we have the person we love the most sleeping right behind us.
I agree with NTHEWIND husband and wives are the safest as far as I am concerned. I am probably prejudiced but we have the person we love the most sleeping right behind us.
A different perspective: I always drove extra super careful with an unrelated codriver sleeping behind me, cause I didn't want them plotting revenge....
The concern I have with LDWS and similar systems; some will be too dependent on them and instead of being a tool, it becomes a crutch. I remember a post here on E.O. by a member that relied on his GPS to warn him of up coming exits because he often drove past them while totally engrossed in a phone conversation.
One scenario: I'm haven't slept and not sure I can make this 600 mile deliver direct load. Oh yeah, I gots me that fancy LDWS thingy. It will keep me on the straight and narrow!
Going ninety I ain't scary
cause I got the lane departure warning system
assuring me I won't get dead.
My apologies to Ed Rush and George Cromarty.
Moot you are 100% correct. The GPS is a tool and LDWS is a tool.
Those who use the tools in the wrong manner are at fault not the tool. I look as these like a gun the gun does not kill the person who pulls the trigger kills. Those who follow a GPS without looking out the windshield are who run into the bridge not the GPS. Those that only listen for electronic rumble strips are the ones that end up in a ditch.
Once again I will say this these are aids and it still takes a driver to drive the truck. safely.
Those who use the tools in the wrong manner are at fault not the tool. I look as these like a gun the gun does not kill the person who pulls the trigger kills. Those who follow a GPS without looking out the windshield are who run into the bridge not the GPS. Those that only listen for electronic rumble strips are the ones that end up in a ditch.
Once again I will say this these are aids and it still takes a driver to drive the truck. safely.
Linda, I agree with you! There will always be people that abuse tools and aids. A friend's brother was fond of quoting: "When you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail."
This also reminds me of the Primitive Pete movies I saw in shop class on how not to use a hand tool.
I hope these devices never become mandatory, but eventually they will.
Moot this one will become mandatory there is no doubt in my mind as it has been proven to save lives.
I like the idea we can buy it if we choose to and in someways it reminds of the EOBR. Right now we like the EOBR and in time the EOBR will become mandatory as well and become a complicated mess...
I like the idea we can buy it if we choose to and in someways it reminds of the EOBR. Right now we like the EOBR and in time the EOBR will become mandatory as well and become a complicated mess...
Although it may indeed save lives, my argument (though I'm typically not the arguing type lol) would be how do you quantify if it's dangerous to some others by providing that false sense of security?
With something like seat belts it's pretty cut and dried. With these things, not so much.
As long as we're given the choice,
With something like seat belts it's pretty cut and dried. With these things, not so much.
As long as we're given the choice,
The LDWS reminds me of a GPS in ways....
It is what it is and that is an aid if you follow it blindly like some do to a GPS you are going to run off the road at some point. As of now we are the captain of our ship and we have aids to help us, when we forget we are the captain of our ship and give in and only listen to our aides we will have a accident....
When we talk to people who have never used a GPS and then they get their first one they are usually immediately impressed and cannot believe they waiting so long to buy one... The LDWS will never give you a warm fuzzy feeling as it is an annoying pain in the behind each and every day... I have discussion with ours and they are never ever nice conversations.
Terry likes to use this word Specious which means "apparently good or right though lacking real merit; superficially pleasing or plausible: specious arguments".
My arguments are like this with the LDWS I can cuss the thing argue with the thing but it is a specious argument as the reason it is going off is I am not staying in my lane....
It is not a nice aid it is irritating frustrating aid that will make you a better driver and much more aware of your surrounding than you ever thought possible.
It is what it is and that is an aid if you follow it blindly like some do to a GPS you are going to run off the road at some point. As of now we are the captain of our ship and we have aids to help us, when we forget we are the captain of our ship and give in and only listen to our aides we will have a accident....
When we talk to people who have never used a GPS and then they get their first one they are usually immediately impressed and cannot believe they waiting so long to buy one... The LDWS will never give you a warm fuzzy feeling as it is an annoying pain in the behind each and every day... I have discussion with ours and they are never ever nice conversations.
Terry likes to use this word Specious which means "apparently good or right though lacking real merit; superficially pleasing or plausible: specious arguments".
My arguments are like this with the LDWS I can cuss the thing argue with the thing but it is a specious argument as the reason it is going off is I am not staying in my lane....
It is not a nice aid it is irritating frustrating aid that will make you a better driver and much more aware of your surrounding than you ever thought possible.
What if it suddenly stopped working in the middle of the night? (I know nothing about the specifics of these things)
What if you GPS stops working in the middle of the night?
We drive the truck not the LDWS it is an aid if it works it is great if it doesn't work the truck does not stop.
We drive the truck not the LDWS it is an aid if it works it is great if it doesn't work the truck does not stop.