Detention Time; What do You Get?

[moose]

when was the last time a driver took legal issue with a carrier over D Time?

OOIDA vs Supervalue comes to mind.
big money.

There's a power in a class actions. IF you are not getting Dtime as signed in your contract, then it is more likely that other contractors with your fleet are being treated the same way. 18004445791.

Dtime needs to be a part of any carrier/contractor contract.
if it's not there (contract or the Dtime part) then the drivers WILL give free time, and their time WILL be abused by others .
as stated here many times over, a sitting truck dose not cost money to anyone's else but the drivers. heck, carriers are making money over your free time anyway.

same goe's for 'lay over', 'weekends runs', 'rounds trips', and any other : "time Pay".

 

[fortwayne]

IMHO, I don't care about what the carrier, broker, shipper have agreed upon, that is between them. I took the load based upon it being ready at a certain time, if its not I believe its the carrier that needs to pay for the time and its up to them what they do or say to the customer. Now, if my carrier decides I don't get paid d-time unless they get paid for it, that's fine. Its up to me on how to deal with it, business wise, and personally. For instance, I know one airline that never pays it, I always wait 3-6 hours....guess what they are on my call another driver list. In other cases, the load itself is paying well enough, I can tolerate a wait without going all dingo. Its all about attitude, adjustment to the situation, and learning.

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[ConfusedMuse]

This could be why the FMCSA is getting involved ( or appear to be getting involved) there is NO set industry standard for something we all face and it matters not an iota if it is a large company, or a Mom & Pop company. We all get screwed loading and unloading. For those of us who run logs it figures greatly into how we proceed with the rest of the run.
I must correct my information here. page 26 Landline magazine. US Rep. Peter DeFazio has introduced a bill aimed at holding shippers & recievers accountable for the time we all spend being unnecessarily detained at the docks. However, I could have sworn I also saw somewhere( probably over the rainbow) that the FMCSA was also getting involved to our benefit.

 

[cranis]

Ok I got a question here. Is this detention time paid after 2 hours after arriving at the p/u or delivery location, or is it including if they put you at a door, then only a partial load in truck with other part not done,(Half Load).

And get the shipper or reciever to punch a clock to say you were there.
Oh this is what we had to do if we p/u or deliver in Air cargo.
Was paid driver by the hour, but still had to account for our time.

Thank you and hope I did not confuse

 

[golfournut]

Ok I got a question here. Is this detention time paid after 2 hours after arriving at the p/u or delivery location, or is it including if they put you at a door, then only a partial load in truck with other part not done,(Half Load).

And get the shipper or reciever to punch a clock to say you were there.
Oh this is what we had to do if we p/u or deliver in Air cargo.
Was paid driver by the hour, but still had to account for our time.

Thank you and hope I did not confuse

Detention time usually starts from your scheduled delivery time. For example... delivery time is 1700, you arrive at 1500. You leave at 2000. If it is a 2 hr detention grace period, then you get 1 hr detention. 2000 - 1700=3-2=1 hr.

Depending on the carrier, you could have a load to pickup at 1700 protect ready now. It is 1500 and you are next door. You get there at 1530 and the load is not ready. Depending on the carrier since the load offer said ready now and had a protect time of 1700 which means that is the latest you can get there, the grace period could start st 1530 instead of 1700 due to the ready now indication. Check with your individual carrier prior to accepting any load offers like that for clarification so there is no hard feelings after acceptance and arrival. I'm NOT saying to refuse a load just because it doesn't start until 1700 or even if there is any detention pay at all. If you been sitting for 2 days without a call and you have to wait a couple hours to get loaded for a $600 run without detention pay, is it worth while to turn down the load for 25 to $50 with no other prospects? That is a question you have to answer for yourself. Does it make it right if they get away without paying detention either the carrier or shipper, no. But can you afford to give up a $600 load for principle? Some can and will, some can't and won't!

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[davekc]

This could be why the FMCSA is getting involved ( or appear to be getting involved) there is NO set industry standard for something we all face and it matters not an iota if it is a large company, or a Mom & Pop company. We all get screwed loading and unloading. For those of us who run logs it figures greatly into how we proceed with the rest of the run.
I must correct my information here. page 26 Landline magazine. US Rep. Peter DeFazio has introduced a bill aimed at holding shippers & recievers accountable for the time we all spend being unnecessarily detained at the docks. However, I could have sworn I also saw somewhere( probably over the rainbow) that the FMCSA was also getting involved to our benefit.

Many are paying now. The bigger issue is that many carriers either don't pass the full rate, or only a small portion of what is actually collected or nothing at all. So it comes down to what is fair to the carrier and what is fair to the driver. If the shipper pays 400 per hour to the carrier and the carrier gives the driver 50, is that a bargain?
A thought to ponder.
Just making every shipper pay detention, doesn't translate into the driver getting a thing.

 

[greg334]

Do you actually want the government involved with detention time, dock issues and all that?

I sure the hell don't.

There is no solution to this but on the other hand what is the percentage of time through the entire year you actually spend waiting while being on time and it bumps into detention time?

 

[cheri1122]

Do you actually want the government involved with detention time, dock issues and all that?
I'd rather the govt weren't involved in telling me how many hours I can drive each day, or declaring me 'fatigued' when I don't feel it, but they are - so why shouldn't they try to minimize the waste of drivers' time at the dock?

I sure the hell don't.

There is no solution to this but on the other hand what is the percentage of time through the entire year you actually spend waiting while being on time and it bumps into detention time?

No idea what the percentage is, but when I arrive for a load as ordered, and am told it won't be ready for an hour or two, that's a waste of time I could have used better than sitting there, or not used towards the 14 hr clock.
And again, when I arrive at the scheduled time to deliver an expedited load, and find the receiving dock isn't open for another hour, or there's just one dock, with 5 or 6 trucks ahead, that's just wrong: someone 'dropped the ball' somewhere, and it wasn't me.
When it was me, I certainly have to answer for it, why are shippers and consignees exempt?
It's also about being treated as a professional, don't you think?

 

[davekc]

There is a partial solution. Just simple transparency from the carrier to the shipper. The rest of it will take care of itself.

 

[LDB]

Why should the carrier get any detention pay? For that matter, why should the carrier get any hand load pay? They aren't the one at the dock doing the working or the waiting. They earn zero of it and they deserve zero of it.

 

[davekc]

Why should the carrier get any detention pay? For that matter, why should the carrier get any hand load pay? They aren't the one at the dock doing the working or the waiting. They earn zero of it and they deserve zero of it.

I believe most justify it because they handle the collection part of it. In most cases, the driver gets a tiny fraction of what is actually collected on those services. Many get nothing at all.
Maybe they consider those fees theirs for babysitting costs?
A carrier that tells you otherwise is lying to you.
Many times a nameless carrier will give their own contractors nothing, yet give close to the full rate to a outside broker.
Goes on all day long.
Just another thought. Ever wonder why one carrier can always pay detention after two hours yet at another the delivery or pickup has to be "confirmed". I can't believe that game from long ago is still being played.
Just another thought to ponder.

 

[LDB]

I guess that argument could be made but does it really cost anything more for the carrier to collect with D included than without it included? Or is it still just a matter of receiving the payment for the service? I see how it would be argued but I don't buy it as a valid argument.

 

[davekc]

I guess that argument could be made but does it really cost anything more for the carrier to collect with D included than without it included? Or is it still just a matter of receiving the payment for the service? I see how it would be argued but I don't buy it as a valid argument.

I think it is just a matter of what they do after it is collected.
Like I said earlier, One will pay nothing yet another carrier will pay something, even from the same customer. Is it because one is better at collecting it? Maybe in some cases, but in most it is not. It is just carriers gaming the system at the expense of their contractors.

 

[geo]

get it after 31 mins and every 15 mins until we leave
and if you don't ask for it won't get it

 

[greg334]

I'd rather the govt weren't involved in telling me how many hours I can drive each day, or declaring me 'fatigued' when I don't feel it, but they are - so why shouldn't they try to minimize the waste of drivers' time at the dock?

Because it seems that if they start getting involved with what is actually petty stuff, it just opens the door for more and more regulations that hurts everyone all around.

No idea what the percentage is, but when I arrive for a load as ordered, and am told it won't be ready for an hour or two, that's a waste of time I could have used better than sitting there, or not used towards the 14 hr clock.

So for you, how often does this happen?

Every 5 loads?

Every 25 loads?

1 out of 100 loads?

And again, when I arrive at the scheduled time to deliver an expedited load, and find the receiving dock isn't open for another hour, or there's just one dock, with 5 or 6 trucks ahead, that's just wrong: someone 'dropped the ball' somewhere, and it wasn't me.
When it was me, I certainly have to answer for it, why are shippers and consignees exempt?

Certainly someone dropped the ball, but let's start with how a lot of loads end up being offered to you as a truck. Many loads are a result of a bid, in some cases the same load may appear five or six times on the same board by different brokers, and the one who gets the truck first, gets the load. BUT should there be a regulation to prevent multiple brokers trying to get the same load?

I don't think there should be, as much as I don't think that the FMCSA and states should regulate how we conduct our business between the carrier and us.

So let's extend this out a bit, now the load is booked, a lot of "dispatchers" and "load planners" have the load, they don't confirm much with the actual shipper but rather deal with the broker where the load originated.

Who dropped the ball in this case?

Maybe the carrier?

If the dispatcher were smart, then they would call the shipper up and ask specific questions, maybe a bunch do but I've faced the problem where the dispatcher didn't even bother to ask any questions, let alone ones that help me.

It's also about being treated as a professional, don't you think?

I would think but by whom?

I think that one real issue is this - we serve the people who pay the bill and nothing more. In many cases a lot of hands are involved and a lot of the times a shipper is doing what they can to keep things moving. There may be delays on their part but on the other hand there may be a problem with communications from them to who ever. A lot of people are hard on the shipper/consignee but it seems that if we expect to service them and get that money, we should be thinking that we are there for them and not for ourselves.

Professionalism seems to be lacking in a lot of parts of the equation, but from my experience is comes mainly from the carrier and their attitude. A lot of people seem to want to defend their carrier, maybe they missed the part that they are contractors, not employees but overall it seems to me and many others that they have an arm's length relationship with most contractors because they don't want to put the effort into trusting them and treat them unprofessional.

 

[zero3nine]

I charge $30 per hour or $250 for 24 hours. $500 for a whole weekend... ie: arrive on friday at 8pm and the supposedly 24/7 facility is closed until monday. 1 to 2 hours free depending on circumstances.

The other option is, I return the load at full price.

fired at you from my Droideka

 

[ATeam]

I charge $30 per hour or $250 for 24 hours. $500 for a whole weekend... ie: arrive on friday at 8pm and the supposedly 24/7 facility is closed until monday. 1 to 2 hours free depending on circumstances.

How many times have you actually leveled the $250 or $500 charge, and after you do, how many of the charged customers use you again?

 

[Desperado]

i wander what I'm going to get for this one shipper 2hours 19 min past pickup time got to con 45 min late stuck at con all weekend dispatch said p/u time had been moved from 1600 to 1830 and i got here at 1645 just wandering first del time was 1600

 

[OntarioVanMan]

i wander what I'm going to get for this one shipper 2hours 19 min past pickup time got to con 45 min late stuck at con all weekend dispatch said p/u time had been moved from 1600 to 1830 and i got here at 1645 just wandering first del time was 1600

You were late....your fault?

 

[lhannah]

Why should the carrier get any detention pay? For that matter, why should the carrier get any hand load pay? They aren't the one at the dock doing the working or the waiting. They earn zero of it and they deserve zero of it.

I do not have current information on what all carriers do so obviously my next few statements can't be considered industry standard. When my company collects any fees (detention, hand unload, layover, etc.) the driver gets 70% - 80%. There is one major reason my company takes a cut out of these fees. The time a dispatcher can spend processing such a fee is much larger than one might think. I would have to take the call from the driver to get all the information on the situation. Relay that information to my customer. Wait on a call back, so I can handle the situation how the customer desires and get approval for any fees that may come along with it. Relay the information to the driver. (Often times all these phone calls are made multiple times in order to get everything right.) Then create a new load confirmation with the updated fees, make sure the new confirmation is signed by both parties. Change all my internal load information. Then get back to securing freight for the rest of my fleet, which is the only way we all make money.


I saw someone in this thread mention a carrier collecting $400 an hour for detention. If this is true then you are right, the driver is getting screwed by only getting $50 an hour. However, in my experience, that number is extremely inflated. I often times have started arguments with customers over collecting $50 an hour of detention time.