Death by DeSantis

[Pilgrim]

I would say his favorability decline is... due to DeSantis's anti-woke agenda, which is out of step with the majority of voters...

Is there a source for this assertion, keeping in mind the DeSantis definition of "woke" - which includes among other things being against teaching CRT in public schools, advancing the transgender agenda in schools and children's entertainment, allowing men to compete in women's sports and allowing criminals to run rampant like they do in CA and NY?

 

[ATeam]

Is there a source for this assertion, keeping in mind the DeSantis definition of "woke" - which includes among other things being against teaching CRT in public schools, advancing the transgender agenda in schools and children's entertainment, allowing men to compete in women's sports and allowing criminals to run rampant like they do in CA and NY?

I suppose we could do a deep analysis and I could provide sources. Or I could simply assert it as opinion like you did above and refuse to quantify or prove or source the reason for my belief.

To do an analysis, we'd begin by agreeing on what the "anti-woke agenda" is. It's a broad term that takes in a lot. So you and I together would need to get reasonably precise in stating each issue and agreeing on the total number of issues that comprise the anti-woke agenda.

That said, I offer these general examples.

Anti-Woke might include a 6 week abortion ban like DeSantis got established in FL. A look a polls on that question show a strong majority of Americans oppose such a ban.

Anti-Woke might include carrying concealed firearms without a permit or background check. There too, the majority of Americans oppose that, polls show.

For these and each of the issues you and I wish to include, we'd need to define each issue clearly and then simply look at credible polls to gauge public opinion about them.

How many issues define the woke or anti-woke agenda? 5? 10? 20? Whatever the number of issues is, I believe that the majority of Americans would oppose most of them.

 

[danthewolf00]

I suppose we could do a deep analysis and I could provide sources. Or I could simply assert it as opinion like you did above and refuse to quantify or prove or source the reason for my belief.

To do an analysis, we'd begin by agreeing on what the "woke agenda" is. It's a broad term that takes in a lot. So you and I together would need to get reasonably precise in stating each question and agreeing on the total number that comprises the woke agenda.

That said, I offer these general examples.

Woke might include a 6 week abortion ban like DeSantis got established in FL. A look a polls on that question show a strong majority of Americans oppose such a ban.

Woke might include carrying concealed firearms without a permit or background check. There too, the majority of Americans oppose that, polls show.

For these and each of the issues you mention, we'd need to define the issue clearly and then simply look at credible polls to gauge public opinion about them.

How many issues define the woke agenda? 5? 10? 20? Whatever the number of woke issues is, I believe that taken as a whole, the majority of Americans would oppose 2/3 or 3/4 of them.

That same background check that hunter Biden lied on......and oh right he got a plea deal.

 

[Pilgrim]

I suppose we could do a deep analysis and I could provide sources. Or I could simply assert it as opinion like you did above and refuse to quantify or prove or source the reason for my belief.

It's not an opinion, it's a question. Do you have a source that supports the assertion that DeSantis' anti-woke agenda - specifically - is out of step with voters?

Governor Ron DeSantis Signs Legislation to Protect Floridians from Discrimination and Woke Indoctrination

www.flgov.com

 

[danthewolf00]

The fact that the liberal Democrats do not see any problem with children going to gay pride marches and to drag shows or letting drag queens reading books to elementary school students......

 

[ATeam]

It's not an opinion, it's a question. Do you have a source that supports the assertion that DeSantis' anti-woke agenda - specifically - is out of step with voters?

Governor Ron DeSantis Signs Legislation to Protect Floridians from Discrimination and Woke Indoctrination

www.flgov.com

Kindly define the anti-woke agenda..

Assuming DeSantis's six-week abortion ban is part of the anti-woke agenda, the polls make it clear that the majority of Americans oppose that. So do elections in some red states where the abortion question was on the ballot. When polls show people are strongly against it, and when voters actually vote against it when given the chance, that would qualify as "out of step," would it not?

What other SPECIFIC items do you wish name as anti-woke? When something is specifically named, it can be specifically gauged as being in-step with or out of step with the voters.

I'll offer another.

DeSantis recently signed a new law will allow anyone who can legally own a gun in Florida to carry one without a permit. It means training and a background check will not be required to carry concealed guns in public. It takes effect July 1. (Source) Unless you tell me different, I'll assume this qualifies as an anti-woke agenda item.

Is this out of step with the voters? Yes it is.

A recent survey from the University of North Florida polled 1,492 Floridians and showed that 77 percent were somewhat or strongly opposed about the constitutional/permitless carry proposal, including 62 percent of Republicans. (Source)

On abortion, DeSantis is out of step with the voters. On "constitutional carry," DeSantis is out of step with the voters.

What other SPECIFIC issues would you like to gauge?

 

[muttly]

There are differences and disagreements about abortion and gun rights but I don’t look at those much of a part of the woke agenda per se.

 

[Pilgrim]

Kindly define the anti-woke agenda..

I was referring specifically to the DeSantis anti-woke agenda and his definition of "woke"; thus the link to his anti-woke legislation.

Assuming DeSantis's six-week abortion ban is part of the anti-woke agenda...

It's not.

What other SPECIFIC items do you wish name as anti-woke?

Again, we're talking about DeSantis's anti-woke agenda - but I repeat myself. Also, I've never seen permitless carry legislation included anywhere as part of wokeness. This is a totally different subject and off topic.

The DeSantis anti-woke legislation primarily deals with the grooming of children in schools with CRT and corporate wokeness. From the link:

“Every person is created equal and entitled to their dignity as an individual. We have heard concerns that students and workers are being pushed to adopt the personal or political viewpoints of employers, teachers or textbook authors,” said Senate President Wilton Simpson. This bill protects our individual freedoms and prevents discrimination in public schools and the workplace while supporting factual, educational discussions for our students.”

DeSantis has also been critical of the transgender agenda being promoted in schools and workplaces, also speaking out against men being allowed to participate in women's sports. Everyone remembers the "Parental Rights in Education" bill.

 

[ATeam]

I was referring specifically to the DeSantis anti-woke agenda and his definition of "woke"; thus the link to his anti-woke legislation.

It's not.

Again, we're talking about DeSantis's anti-woke agenda - but I repeat myself. Also, I've never seen permitless carry legislation included anywhere as part of wokeness. This is a totally different subject and off topic.

The DeSantis anti-woke legislation primarily deals with the grooming of children in schools with CRT and corporate wokeness. From the link:

“Every person is created equal and entitled to their dignity as an individual. We have heard concerns that students and workers are being pushed to adopt the personal or political viewpoints of employers, teachers or textbook authors,” said Senate President Wilton Simpson. This bill protects our individual freedoms and prevents discrimination in public schools and the workplace while supporting factual, educational discussions for our students.”

DeSantis has also been critical of the transgender agenda being promoted in schools and workplaces, also speaking out against men being allowed to participate in women's sports. Everyone remembers the "Parental Rights in Education" bill.

I'm not going to interpret an article, declare something to be "woke, evaluate it, and then have you say that's not.

I'm done with this fruitless game unless you provide a SPECIFIC issue that YOU say is DeSantis's anti-woke agenda and his definition of woke.

 

[muttly]

Governor DeSantis Announces Legislative Proposal to Stop W.O.K.E. Activism and Critical Race Theory in Schools and Corporations

www.flgov.com

 

[muttly]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1675610297380270080

 

[muttly]

Yikes. Doesn’t look good so far for DeSantis.

‘We are way behind’: Top DeSantis PAC official sounds alarm

Steve Cortes got pretty blunt during a Twitter spaces session on Sunday night.

www.politico.com

 

[coalminer]

That same background check that hunter Biden lied on......and oh right he got a plea deal.

Part of a plea deal is that you have to admit you did wrong, he made mistakes and he admitted it.

 

[danthewolf00]

Part of a plea deal is that you have to admit you did wrong, he made mistakes and he admitted it.

Yea a plea deal he should never have gotten ever.
Nobody gets that kind of deal UNLESS they turn over evidence on someone bigger.

 

[Pilgrim]

Yea a plea deal he should never have gotten ever.

That's the point - he should've never been allowed a plea deal on two felonies. He intentionally lied on the background check. He only admitted it after he was caught red-handed, well after the fact. He even tried to hide the gun he illegally purchased.

 

[coalminer]

MSN

There needs to be a legal challenge to this immediately, as a Florida resident with a drivers license, how long is it going to take before other states start retaliating and saying all Florida licenses are not valid in their states?

If they do let this stand and other states start cracking down on Florida licenses, I will have to transfer my license back to Ohio and use one of my daughters addresses.

 

[Pilgrim]

MSN

There needs to be a legal challenge to this immediately, as a Florida resident with a drivers license, how long is it going to take before other states start retaliating and saying all Florida licenses are not valid in their states?

If they do let this stand and other states start cracking down on Florida licenses, I will have to transfer my license back to Ohio and use one of my daughters addresses.

You have nothing to worry about. Once again, a member of the liberal mainstream media has misled the public in a headline with the knowledge that the majority of readers won't take the time to read the article. It clearly states in the third paragraph that:

"As of July 1, these out-of-state licenses are no longer valid in Florida if the driver is in the U.S. illegally." (bold emphasis mine)

So the new law (SB1718) only applies to driver's licenses held by Illegal Aliens. Quotes from the governor's office further emphasize this in subsequent paragraphs:

"Florida will not accept driver’s licenses from those who cannot provide proof of lawful presence in the United States."

"DeSantis earlier this year signed SB1718 into law, which the governor says is the “strongest anti-illegal immigration legislation in the county.” The new law prohibits the issuance of a driver’s license to anyone who does not provide proof of lawful presence in the U.S. and specifies that out-of-state driver licenses issued exclusively to illegal aliens are invalid in Florida."

Once again, DeSantis is actually doing something about illegal immigration instead of offering lip service. It's a damn good law and hopefully other states will have the backbone to pass similar legislation, since our federal government refuses to enforce immigration laws.

 

[coalminer]

You have nothing to worry about. Once again, a member of the liberal mainstream media has misled the public in a headline with the knowledge that the majority of readers won't take the time to read the article. It clearly states in the third paragraph that:

"As of July 1, these out-of-state licenses are no longer valid in Florida if the driver is in the U.S. illegally." (bold emphasis mine)

So the new law (SB1718) only applies to driver's licenses held by Illegal Aliens. Quotes from the governor's office further emphasize this in subsequent paragraphs:

"Florida will not accept driver’s licenses from those who cannot provide proof of lawful presence in the United States."

"DeSantis earlier this year signed SB1718 into law, which the governor says is the “strongest anti-illegal immigration legislation in the county.” The new law prohibits the issuance of a driver’s license to anyone who does not provide proof of lawful presence in the U.S. and specifies that out-of-state driver licenses issued exclusively to illegal aliens are invalid in Florida."

Once again, DeSantis is actually doing something about illegal immigration instead of offering lip service. It's a damn good law and hopefully other states will have the backbone to pass similar legislation, since our federal government refuses to enforce immigration laws.

You totally missed my point, what if other states decided to retaliate and say that all Florida licenses are void in their states? This is a total overreach on their part, if they dont want to issue licenses to illegals, its their choice, but now to get in the way of another state and what they have decided? Nope, this wont hold up in court.

 

[Pilgrim]

You totally missed my point, what if other states decided to retaliate and say that all Florida licenses are void in their states? This is a total overreach on their part, if they dont want to issue licenses to illegals, its their choice, but now to get in the way of another state and what they have decided? Nope, this wont hold up in court.

Your point is not valid. The law applies to criminals, not legal citizens. FL is reinforcing current law that's probably on the books in most non-sanctuary states; people who can't prove that they're in the country legally are criminals. Other than CA or possibly NY, no other states will retaliate because SB1718 is legally sound.

 

[ATeam]

Your point is not valid. The law applies to criminals, not legal citizens. FL is reinforcing current law that's probably on the books in most non-sanctuary states; people who can't prove that they're in the country legally are criminals. Other than CA or possibly NY, no other states will retaliate because SB1718 legally sound.

Convicted felons can get driver's licenses in all states. They're criminals too, are they not? In most cases, being a criminal does not disqualify you from obtaining a driver's license.