Crime set to increase.

[layoutshooter]

Sorry just comments that crack users well any addicted user be it even LEGAL alcohol...are accountable for violent crime and should all be locked up....poverty accounts for violent crime as well....should we lock up poor people too? ...

I don't believe that poverty accounts for all that much violent crime. I believe that the VAST majority of poor people are law abiding citizens.

IF you commit a crime, are convicted, you should receive the punishment for that crime. Being drunk or high is NOT a valid excuse. It is a CHOICE to become drunk or high therefore you are 100% responsible for your actions.

IF you are so inclined to commit crimes, violent or not, to support a drug or booze habit, same thing goes. NO VALID EXCUSE.

The two scum bags that broke into my house and robbed it were crack heads. They TRIED to use their addiction as an excuse. JAIL TIME and THEY were lucky. I was not home. OTHERWISE there would never have even been a trial. Just a hole in the ground.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I don't believe that poverty accounts for all that much violent crime. I believe that the VAST majority of poor people are law abiding citizens.

IF you commit a crime, are convicted, you should receive the punishment for that crime. Being drunk or high is NOT a valid excuse. It is a CHOICE to become drunk or high therefore you are 100% responsible for your actions.

IF you are so inclined to commit crimes, violent or not, to support a drug or booze habit, same thing goes. NO VALID EXCUSE.

The two scum bags that broke into my house and robbed it were crack heads. They TRIED to use their addiction as an excuse. JAIL TIME and THEY were lucky. I was not home. OTHERWISE there would never have even been a trial. Just a hole in the ground.

AGREED....an addiction is not a valid excuse for their behavior...people make a decision to take the drug all knowing the road that could lie ahead....and they should pay the consequences of such a decision....

what I don't agree with is painting all users with one stroke of the brush....a minor user getting 15 yrs is just ridiculous..seems like a knee jerk reaction back in those days that did not do a thing to make anyone safer.

 

[paullud]

Suppose we should separate the issues....Pushers and users...

I am definitely for the legalization of pot but as for drugs like heroin, coke, or crack I see valid reasons for them to be illegal.

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[OntarioVanMan]

I am definitely for the legalization of pot but as for drugs like heroin, coke, or crack I see valid reasons for them to be illegal.

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I can't go the legal mary jane route....there is no quality controls involved...too much of it is cut with other drugs...like arsenic to get a higher buzz....

 

[layoutshooter]

"what I don't agree with is painting all users with one stroke of the brush....a minor user getting 15 yrs is just ridiculous..seems like a knee jerk reaction back in those days that did not do a thing to make anyone safer."

As I said, NO criminal penalty for USE ONLY. Depends on what you mean by a minor. When I worked at that youth prison camp we had a LOT of so called minors who KNEW what they were doing and felt entitled to do it. They called robbing houses and people, "going to work". NO SHAME. NO REMORSE.

 

[paullud]

They had federal charges because of the Interstate Commerce Clause. Early on, the American judicial system did not accept drug prohibition laws, because the laws violated the liberties of citizens. Prosecutors argued that possessing drugs was a tax violation, as no legal licenses to sell drugs were in existence (Harrison Act, 1914, required sellers of opiates and cocaine to have a license). Therefore, a person possessing drugs must have purchased them from an unlicensed source. After some much legal wrangling, this was accepted as federal jurisdiction under the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution. It's why, even after and despite being legalized in the Humbolt region and other regions of California, ATF agents raided marijuana growers and sellers (because some of that pot might cross state lines <snort>).

Laws have been written so that, more or less, the amount of illegal drugs you possess makes the difference between "simple possession" and the thought crime of "possession with the intent to distribute". In the case of cocaine and heroin, the latter comes into play if you possess more than you can use immediately. So if you want to save some for later, you're a distributor, even if you aren't a distributor.

They were convicted on federal charges because they were involved in sales or manufacturing, crack is illegal in all 50 so the scenario of growing pot in California is another issue. These were guys that were involved in drug rings not just some lowly users.

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[paullud]

I can't go the legal mary jane route....there is no quality controls involved...too much of it is cut with other drugs...like arsenic to get a higher buzz....

If the pot is laced with anything it was done by the user or they paid the dealer extra for it.

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[Turtle]

I can't go the legal mary jane route....there is no quality controls involved...

Grow your own. Plant it, grow it, cut it, dry it, smoke it. It's real easy man.

too much of it is cut with other drugs...like arsenic to get a higher buzz....

Arsenic, also should be legal to ingest if one so chooses.

There are always valid reasons to rationalize an infringement of liberty. Always. That's why it's so easily and often done.

 

[Turtle]

They were convicted on federal charges because they were involved in sales or manufacturing, crack is illegal in all 50 so the scenario of growing pot in California is another issue. These were guys that were involved in drug rings not just some lowly users.

Which guys? All of the guys who are up for release?

 

[layoutshooter]

"Arsenic, also should be legal to ingest if one so chooses."

If a person decides that they wish in ingest arsenic on their own, that is OKEE DOKEE with me! It would be WONDER if said person ingested enough to do the job right and, with any luck, prior to breeding.

IF ANOTHER person, is responsible for a person UNKNOWINGLY ingesting arsenic, the person responsible should be force fed enough to insure they NEVER do it again.

 

[tbubster]

Again anyone go sit in a drug court for a day and just listen.Every thing that you could imagiane is brought up as to why a person is using drugs and needs help.From them not feeling loved as a child to the started using when their love of their life left them.The judes buy alot of it and the people are back on the streets.

Now should pushers be shot?yep.At the same time you gotta remember its not the pushers out there robbing and hurting people for that next fix its the users.They to must be dealt with.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

arsenic is sometimes added before the drying process before the leaves are chopped up...thing is the buyer has no clue IF there is any or how much...and that right there makes it dangerous...

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Again anyone go sit in a drug court for a day and just listen.Every thing that you could imagiane is brought up as to why a person is using drugs and needs help.From them not feeling loved as a child to the started using when their love of their life left them.The judes buy alot of it and the people are back on the streets.

Now should pushers be shot?yep.At the same time you gotta remember its not the pushers out there robbing and hurting people for that next fix its the users.They to must be dealt with.

Heard em all myself....momma made me do it....

 

[Tennesseahawk]

All things should be equal. ALL pushers should shot. Drug pushers are disgusting. No reason for them to breathe. Their intent it to harm for profit. Evil greed.

Like Rlent mentioned, there are many who do this under legal banners. Shouldn't they be shot as well? I'm not big on these jerks who sell poison; but look at what we eat everyday... legalized poison... processed foods... water that's full of chemicals. We eat animals that have been fed all sorts of crap. The only difference is that someone IS sticking that needle into our arms; and we don't really know it. Then they "cure" us with Ritalin, and call it a day.

Yes, right now it's illegal. And I stand by the law here. But I don't think I'd have any problems with the laws on certain drugs being quashed.

 

[layoutshooter]

I think that the "other" things are just a bit more complicated. One would have to believe that EVERY producer of those "other poisons" are doing this to cause harm and "hook" people into ingesting that poison. I doubt that is the case. Those who push THIS swill it IS there ONLY goal. To addict, make HUGE profits off those they addict until they DIE from that "product". Their product has NO GOOD use, legal or other wise.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I think that the "other" things are just a bit more complicated. One would have to believe that EVERY producer of those "other poisons" are doing this to cause harm and "hook" people into ingesting that poison. I doubt that is the case. Those who push THIS swill it IS there ONLY goal. To addict, make HUGE profits off those they addict until they DIE from that "product". Their product has NO GOOD use, legal or other wise.

Cigarette, anyone? Care for a drink?

 

[layoutshooter]

Cigarette, anyone? Care for a drink?

I came back from a 5 year tour in England back in 1981. We moved into a nice, middle class Maryland neighborhood. Two days after we moved in they busted some "men" for handing out those kids paper tatoos, you know the kind, you wet them and they make a picture on your arm. They were handing them out to kindergarden kids. They were laced with LSD.

I kept my kids more or less confined to the back yard until the lease I had on that house ran out. Then I moved the family WAY OUT into the country. I did NOT want my kids around people like that. I was willing to give up 3 hours of my life every day driving to protect them.

Yep, just like a legal operation. Should have shot 'em.

 

[RLENT]

Cigarette, anyone?

Havin' one right now .....

Care for a drink?

.... and the wife is bringing me a Kahlua and creme as I type ...

 

[Ragman]

Havin' one right now .....


.... and the wife is bringing me a Kahlua and creme as I type ...

The way it should be.

 

[RLENT]

The way it should be.

Life is indeed good