Countdown to Another Sprinter Killer- Sort Of

Speedwagen · Mar 3, 2011

"...They filled the tank with water and Vinegar (not sure of the blend)..."

And I am quite sure the ol' girls (trucks) smell "clean and refreshed" without any "embarrassing odors."

golfournut · Mar 3, 2011

purgoose10 said:
Urea is a blend of Ammonia and Nitrogen and water. It does the same thing as a catalytic converter but updated. Supposed to be designed for the diesel market and not gas. When it is heated in the after exhaust pipe it brings the exhaust up 700 -800 degrees to burn the carbon emissions (CO2) out of the exhaust. I am not quite sure of the degrees I think it's more like 1000 degrees but it is hot. I sure wouldn't want to spill any gas on the pipes. Petroleum haulers are having a time with the new system because of the dangers of loading them on the racks with the hot pipes. I will bet there will be a huge fire sometime this year when they start upgrading equipment.

Wow that's hot. Does idling for extended periods increase the temp?

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

Jack_Berry · Mar 3, 2011

BillChaffey said:
What year, engine size did Diesel engines start with a Catalytic converter.

i have a cat on my 1.9l 02 vw tdi.
sprinter had a cat in 08 i believe.

utilmaster is a city truck not an expediter van as has been pointed out already.

LisaLouHoo · Mar 4, 2011

jeffman164 said:
Question please . What is a urea tank or def ??

Per eHow.com:

Urea Tanks for Diesel Engines

"Urea tanks will be mandatory on all diesel engines made in the United States starting in 2010.

Urea binds with the nitrogen oxide emitted by diesel engines, thus reducing diesel emissions responsible for smog and respiratory illnesses such as asthma.

According to a spokesperson from the Selective Catalytic Reduction Stakeholders Group, urea tanks reduce the nitrogen oxide produced by diesel engines by as much as 90 percent.

Use of a diesel particulate filter can further reduce emissions to almost 100 percent."

Per Fleetguard.com:

DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid)

"DEF is a urea-based chemical reactant designed specifically for use in SCR systems to reduce NOx emissions."

So DEF goes into the Urea Tank and makes the world a better place.

I hope that answers your question!

BillChaffey · Mar 4, 2011

I would be willing to place a wager that my 1999 F250 or 2002 E 350 does not have a catalytic converter. The primary reason I'm willing is when the 1999 went in for it's first inspection after it was new. The young man at the Inspection station is crawling around under the truck. His boss Say's "what are you doing" he replies "I'm looking for the Catalytic converter" The boss's replies "it's a Diesel it doesn't have one, give him his sticker"

Jack_Berry · Mar 4, 2011

wannatruck said:
Nissan NV. Seen them, didn't know if they were doing an extended version or not. NOT a cabover, look alot like sprinters on the outside. (basic shape) Inside is NICE, cooler in the center armrest and other little amenities that make it very tempting. Base model has an AUX input on the stereo for MP3 or Sat radio even! I hear base price is gonna make sprinters cringe. 25k new is what I'd heard. Something to look at, if not to replace a sprinter, then to replace a C/V.

there are 4 separate threads on the n nv in the trucking section. it is not a sprinter replacement. it is hardly a ford or gm replacement. yet.

Speedwagen · Mar 4, 2011

Yep Jack, the Nissan is not a replacement- nor is this coming Isuzu/ Utilimaster thing as I mentioned in my original post.
I love the early (2002-2006) Sprinter- I own two of them.
Be nice to have a powerful 4 cylinder turbo diesel and a manual trans though, like they offer in Europe...
IMHO, the only real, existing "close to duplicating" the Sprinter offering
that would have a remote chance of seeing the US would be Ford's REAL Transit (Euro Version), and Chrysler/ Fiat/ Iveco's Daily Cargo Van- both look nice.
Here's a pic of each:
Rich

purgoose10 · Mar 5, 2011

golfournut said:
Wow that's hot. Does idling for extended periods increase the temp?

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

No, the lower the RPM's the cooler it is but still is hot. It is supposed to be hot in order to burn the CO2 out. Class 8 trucks will be a problem till people get used to handling them. Matter of fact all trucks will be a problem.
I have a friend who hauls freight in his Sprinter in the UK. They have no emission devises on their trucks at all right now. It starts next year. His Sprinter averages 28 mpg over there. I think its an o5 model, not sure might be an 06,.

scottm4211 · Mar 5, 2011

Don't forget Goose it's also a 20 percent larger gallon over there.

LDB · Mar 5, 2011

purgoose10 said:
I have a friend who hauls freight in his Sprinter in the UK. His Sprinter averages 28 mpg over there.

That's about 23.3 mpg on U.S. gallons.

scottm4211 · Mar 5, 2011

LDB said:
That's about 23.3 mpg on U.S. gallons.

I was too lazy to pull out the calculator

jrcarroll · Mar 6, 2011

Speedwagen said:
Yep Jack, the Nissan is not a replacement- nor is this coming Isuzu/ Utilimaster thing as I mentioned in my original post.
I love the early (2002-2006) Sprinter- I own two of them.
Be nice to have a powerful 4 cylinder turbo diesel and a manual trans though, like they offer in Europe...
IMHO, the only real, existing "close to duplicating" the Sprinter offering
that would have a remote chance of seeing the US would be Ford's REAL Transit (Euro Version), and Chrysler/ Fiat/ Iveco's Daily Cargo Van- both look nice.
Here's a pic of each:
Rich

Just a note: I have been told from the company that Iveco will not be brought to the US.

If given a choice I would take an Iveco over all the other vans/ trucks..

Speedwagen · Mar 8, 2011

Pics are up:
Reach™ | Gallery

Yep, another "bread van" as we all suggested...

jrcarroll · Mar 8, 2011

Interesting

Moot · Mar 8, 2011

purgoose10 said:
Right now the urea additive is $2.97 gal @ Pilot. Put $75 buck in fuel and another $20 in urea.

Urea can be found for free in discarded plastic jugs at most truck stops, rest areas and on-ramps. Better yet, make your own!

SprinterGuy · Mar 10, 2011

purgoose10 said:
I did not see a picture of it, but it said debut in about a week. Reading the spec page it looks to be a Sprinter competitor with more loading area (700) cu ft. The only draw back I see is the urea tank along with fuel. That's the one reason I'm going back to the gas engine. Right now the urea additive is $2.97 gal @ Pilot. Put $75 buck in fuel and another $20 in urea. Other than it should have a good market base.

I don't know how it is for the Isuzu but in the Mercedes Benz Sprinter the Urea tank is about 5 gallons and should only need to be filled up every 10,000 miles or so...Not with every fill up. The system will tell you when you are running low and need to refill.

purgoose10 · Mar 11, 2011

Moot said:
Urea can be found for free in discarded plastic jugs at most truck stops, rest areas and on-ramps. Better yet, make your own!

"That's bad".

SprinterGuy said:
I don't know how it is for the Isuzu but in the Mercedes Benz Sprinter the Urea tank is about 5 gallons and should only need to be filled up every 10,000 miles or so...Not with every fill up. The system will tell you when you are running low and need to refill.

That's not so bad.