Common Core Education... there is no wrong answer!

[LDB]

I don't believe students should be taught the "correct answer" to regurgitate on command by rote. I believe they should be taught the systems and formulas that generate the "correct answer".

Is the "correct answer" mandatory at all times? No, provided the student shows their work and shows they know the formula. In that case partial credit might legitimately be given. Anyone can know what they're doing and still make a mistake at some point and get an incorrect answer. If they know what they're doing it will show.

The problem is promoting or supporting or just not condemning the idea that there are no wrong answers and/or full credit for wrong answers when they show their work and have the system down but do it wrong and get the wrong answer.

Yeah, I want the medical "professional" that got full credit for getting it wrong taking care of my family. I want the mechanic who got full credit for getting it wrong working on my brakes.

 

[cheri1122]

Leo: did you miss entirely the part about the standards being created with the advice [for the very first time, as far as I know] of current business leaders? You know: the people who hire people?
Or do you believe that students who get it entirely wrong are fine with them?
This is a positive thing in education - maybe next, we can tackle the students who get promoted in spite of failure to grasp academic concepts simply because they have strong athletic skills.

 

[Humble2drive]

Yeah, I want the medical "professional" that got full credit for getting it wrong taking care of my family. I want the mechanic who got full credit for getting it wrong working on my brakes.

At ease there LDB.
Even though you have an incorrect perception of how the program will work there are no plans to implement it in the Medical Schools or the Mechanic Schools.
Wheeew! Disaster averted.

 

[LDB]

Cheri, I didn't miss anything.

 

[xmudman]

FYI.. I'm borrowing this LOL.


Dale

Why not? I did

 

[witness23]

Cheri, I didn't miss anything.

Actually you did because you are making the same mistake Dreamer did initially. Using the FoxNews article for your source of reference and using their reporting to form an opinion of the Common Core Standards. Even though a handfull of members have tried to explain it to you, you still keep going back to the FoxNews article. Case in point, your post #36:

In a YouTube video, a curriculum coordinator in Chicago explains how through this new program students can actually get the answer wrong, but still receive full credit.

I thought those were your words but realized you were quoting the FoxNews article Dreamer attached in his OP.

You then followed up with this comment:

That doesn't sound like "show your work and you may get partial credit". That sounds like the new liberal inspired and controlled education system where we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by telling them they are wrong.

That's not what the supposed "Liberal" educator from Chicago said or even tried to imply in the townhall meeting. For God's sakes, even Beck's website is setting the record straight, kind of.

4 x 3 = 11? Did School Official Really Say It Doesn?t Matter if Students Get Simple Math Wrong Under Common Core? | Video | TheBlaze.com

Here's the clip from the townhall meeting. Also, I hope you and other's do realize that the example 3 x 4 = 11 is an oversimplification in trying to explain some of the aspects of the Common Core Standards.

 

[witness23]

Sure I did. We welcome everyone back.

Your comment above only proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you did not understand ragman's comment.

And please, save your faux welcome back for someone else.

 

[cheri1122]

Cheri, I didn't miss anything.

Your emphasis on the 'I' implies that someone else did - so please elaborate. And while you're at it, you might answer the question I asked, which was not rhetorical: do you think the business leaders helping to craft the acceptable standards are okay with students who get the wrong answer?

And how about the parents? Surely they can't all be bleeding heart liberals who don't want to hurt anyone's tender feelings - some are tough parents who want their kids to succeed [and move into a place of their own, lol] and understand that a good education is required for most of them to do that.

 

[cubansammich]

Yeah, I know it's a FOX news link, sorry LOL.. but that's where someone posted it from


Apparently in the new math the White House is implementing, there is no wrong answer, as long as you understand the process, and explain how you got your answer....

Huh???


Obama?s New Math Curriculum Gives Kids Points for Wrong Answers?! | Fox News Insider

There is nothing new here. I've been out of school for many years and in Math and some sciences this has been standard practice and it is a good one. Example- 3 kids have an advanced algebra problem figuring the gallons of water needed to fill a pool shaped like trapezoid with an arched bottom. Kid one gets it right and gets the full points. Kid two writes make the **** pool round and gets zero. Kid three makes an early mistake but proceeds to do all of the other calculations flawlessly and gets partial credit. No big deal he deserved more points than the smartazz but not as many as the kid who got it right.

Nothing new but the Fox spin on it.

Making the ignorant confident -Love It!

 

[LDB]

Business people, like all the ones who praise and support Obama? Doesn't mean anything to me that they support this program. Just because they know business doesn't mean they know teaching.

 

[paullud]

Business people, like all the ones who praise and support Obama? Doesn't mean anything to me that they support this program. Just because they know business doesn't mean they know teaching.

The last sentence is exactly why many teachers are against it and many feel it is the federal government taking over something that is a state issue but it is not what the article claims.

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[scottm4211]

Just because they know business doesn't mean they know teaching.

The same can be said for truck drivers.

 

[cubansammich]

Business people, like all the ones who praise and support Obama? Doesn't mean anything to me that they support this program. Just because they know business doesn't mean they know teaching.

My Uncle Reuben Sammich was a good teacher but a terrible business person.

 

[Ragman]

My Uncle Reuben Sammich was a good teacher but a terrible business person.

Are you related to Corned Beef Sammich?

 

[cheri1122]

The last sentence is exactly why many teachers are against it and many feel it is the federal government taking over something that is a state issue but it is not what the article claims.

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That last sentence is wrong: businesspeople [and parents, who also contribute input] are not attempting to tell teachers how to teach, they are offering feedback on where they believe the past standards have been inadequate.
The are also wrong about it being a federal government takeover, because it is not - the states will be running their own educational efforts, not the feds. The standards , once they are selected and agreed upon, will be uniform from one state to the next, which is something that hasn't happened before. Different standards [ie: algebra in 7th grade in Mo, but not until 9th in Ms] has caused parents & students many headaches when moving from one state to another.
Business leaders say a lack of uniformity makes it impossible for them to predict what a high school diploma means, exactly, from one state to another.
Those problems should be solved, and can be, without infringing on the state's right to run its' own system.

 

[cheri1122]

Business people, like all the ones who praise and support Obama?

Why does Obama have to be dragged into everything with you?! Some are for Obama, some are not: just like the rest of the real world, and neither is automatically right or wrong.

Doesn't mean anything to me that they support this program. Just because they know business doesn't mean they know teaching.

No one is soliciting their input on teaching - they are being asked to provide examples of the skills they look for [and often don't find] in potential employees. If the goal of education is to prepare people for a productive life, I think that's important.
Even if they support Obama.

 

[Humble2drive]

Even if they support Obama.

Again:

Forty-five states, the District of Columbia, four territories, and the Department of Defense Education Activity have adopted the Common Core State Standards.
Common Core State Standards Initiative | In the States

Why are we assuming that both the Democratic and Republican Governors consulted with business people who support Obama? Keep in mind that this was not a "White House" initiative and the Federal Government was not involved in the development or the implementation.

Here is the list of businesses who support this program, judge for yourself:

http://www.corestandards.org/assets/k12_statements/Business_Endorsement_Letter_on_CCSS.pdf

Cheri - I did see the after your statement so this is not really directed at you.

 

[Brisco]

In other words.........THIS could very well be Americas Future.........

I can clearly see the Country heading in this Direction right now...........

 

[LDB]

Who knew that our current president and most of the House and Senate had made a movie trailer?

 

[cheri1122]

In other words.........THIS could very well be Americas Future.........

I can clearly see the Country heading in this Direction right now...........

We've been there for awhile now: where 'low information' [gotta love the euphemisms, lol] citizens prefer the bread & circuses of low comedy to any hint of intelligent conversation.
Because being entertained is just so much more comfortable than being engaged in an activity that requires the use of the ol gray matter, eh?