Common Core Education... there is no wrong answer!

[LDB]

Yeah, better to teach kids how to think wrong than require them to learn to think correctly. Much better we have a bunch of idiots running around who can think about it but not get the right answer. Who needs correct answers anyway, certainly not the idiots promoting this idea.

 

[scottm4211]

Whoosh. Like clockwork:thumbup:

 

[Ragman]

More popcorn please.

 

[cheri1122]

Yeah, better to teach kids how to think wrong than require them to learn to think correctly. Much better we have a bunch of idiots running around who can think about it but not get the right answer. Who needs correct answers anyway, certainly not the idiots promoting this idea.

Teaching kids what to think has got us where we are now - where 'educated' adults can't see the bias in what they read, and accept it as fact without questioning.
Kids who are taught how to think may get the answer wrong the first time, but they will know to double check their answer [because they weren't told it's the 'right' one] and discover the error, and do it over. They will not be credited for a wrong answer - just for the analytical process used to obtain their answer.
Because kids who are taught the 'right' answer, but have no understanding of the process required to discover it on their own, simply memorize the right answers in order to pass the tests. For many reasons, that is a sorry approach to teaching and learning.

 

[cheri1122]

Some people stated an objection to Common Core's preponderance of nonfiction reading in the English classes. One statement that caught my attention was "You need to teach the classics [of literature] to teach kids to love reading."
HA!
If all I knew of literature was what we were forced to read in school [Beowulf?!] I would hate reading. Just as so many adults now do. I was fortunate, and learned to love reading first, which prompted me to check out the classics on my own. I don't love them all, but if I only knew what I'd been taught in school, I'd say they're all incredibly boring - and that is just ignorance speaking.

 

[Humble2drive]

From the article:

The White House is imposing what some are calling a controversial new curriculum called Common Core in schools across the country.

Then

Apparently in the new math the White House is implementing

The White House?
How is the White House "imposing" this voluntary curriculum that has been developed by the states???

States across the country collaborated with teachers, researchers, and leading experts to design and develop the Common Core State Standards. Each state independently made the decision to adopt the Common Core State Standards, beginning in 2010. The federal government was NOT involved in the development of the standards. Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core.
Common Core State Standards Initiative | Frequently Asked Questions

The nation’s governors and education commissioners, through their representative organizations the National Governors Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO) led the development of the Common Core State Standards and continue to lead the initiative. Teachers, parents, school administrators and experts from across the country together with state leaders provided input into the development of the standards.

This process is state-led, and has support from across the country, including CCSSO, the NGA Center, Achieve, Inc, ACT, the College Board, the National Association of State Boards of Education, the Alliance for Excellent Education, the Hunt Institute, the National Parent Teacher Association, the State Higher Education Executive Officers, the American Association of School Administrators, and the Business Roundtable.

The federal government had no role in the development of the Common Core State Standards and will not have a role in their implementation.

 

[Dreamer]

Ok.. now that I had time away from all the home life issues going on, I had a little more time to check into this.

Thank you Cheri and H2H for pointing out opposing FACTS from the ones presented at the websites I was reading, instead of just insulting my friends, etc......

I was indeed..... ah crap.... perhaps.... slightly misinformed.........er.. maybe even wrong....


Crap. That sucks.


See.. I'm big enough! LOL



I like the above pic by xmudman... funny how it is intepreted differently by different websites, some of which I didn't even know had that bent. I'll admit, I do rely on different websites that analyze info, as I don't get to watch as much news as I'd like.


Now, Wikipedia may not be 100% reliable, but they had it broke down a lot better.



Common Core State Standards Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Dale

 

[Dreamer]

View attachment 7425 This should explain it...

FYI.. I'm borrowing this LOL.


Dale

 

[paullud]

Teaching kids what to think has got us where we are now - where 'educated' adults can't see the bias in what they read, and accept it as fact without questioning.
Kids who are taught how to think may get the answer wrong the first time, but they will know to double check their answer [because they weren't told it's the 'right' one] and discover the error, and do it over. They will not be credited for a wrong answer - just for the analytical process used to obtain their answer.
Because kids who are taught the 'right' answer, but have no understanding of the process required to discover it on their own, simply memorize the right answers in order to pass the tests. For many reasons, that is a sorry approach to teaching and learning.

That style of teaching has been around for years and it sounds like it is spreading, possibly because teachers that liked teaching weren't able to anymore. I started learning this way in high school where if a math problem was worth 10 points total you would get 2 or 3 points for showing the functions correctly, at the same time you lost 2 or 3 for not showing the work even if you were right. It helps ensure students aren't cheating and more importantly that they are actually learning.

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[Dreamer]

I would want to see both. I read different articles that made it sound like they never had to get the right answer, as long as they showed why they got the one they did... like Cheri pointed out, I would want to make sure that was not the end.. partial credit maybe.. not full credit until the correct answer (as it is known now.. ) is given....otherwise that kid on Jeopardy got screwed


Dale

 

[scottm4211]

There appears to be some common core education in this thread:thumbup:

 

[LDB]

They did it a lot better 45 years ago when they didn't say stupid things like there is no wrong answer. They just said simply and clearly if you show your work you may get partial credit. There were plenty of wrong answers just as there are now. They just didn't worry about hurt feelings the way the idiots do now.

 

[scottm4211]

You live in such fear, including the fear of comprehension. Hopefully that time machine will be finished before it's too late.

 

[paullud]

They did it a lot better 45 years ago when they didn't say stupid things like there is no wrong answer. They just said simply and clearly if you show your work you may get partial credit. There were plenty of wrong answers just as there are now. They just didn't worry about hurt feelings the way the idiots do now.

That's what they are doing now, the "no wrong answer" isn't what is happening, that was what the author wanted people to think. It is still the same, if you are wrong you are wrong but can get partial credit for showing the correct functions needed to arrive at the answer. This type of education process is starting to spread, where you went through it 45 years ago the type of poor rural school I went through had a couple of teachers start using it when I was in high school and I am 33. The idea that everyone gets a gold star no matter what has also been phased out in most schools now.

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[cheri1122]

When I tested for entry to nursing school, they wouldn't credit my [correct] answers to the division problems unless I showed that I know how to do it with the division symbol-thingie-whatchamacallit. Which I didn't - I got the correct answers my own way, but they needed me to do it their way. I had to get a library book on "Teaching Math to your Child" to learn how to do it their way. Which I promptly forgot as soon as I passed the test, lol.
I believe it's better to know how to find the correct answer than to be taught the correct answer, no matter what method one uses to find it. I think that's what Common Core is trying to achieve, and it's a good thing.
I also like that the collaboration on standards [to be taught] includes business leaders, because they understand what prospective hires need to know, and traditionally haven't. *Thumbup*
I just don't see why it's a problem for so many people.

 

[LDB]

In a YouTube video, a curriculum coordinator in Chicago explains how through this new program students can actually get the answer wrong, but still receive full credit.

That doesn't sound like "show your work and you may get partial credit". That sounds like the new liberal inspired and controlled education system where we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by telling them they are wrong.

 

[cheri1122]

I have no way of knowing whether "a curriculum coordinator in Chicago" is explaining it correctly, or whether you understood it correctly, but my understanding is the goal of Common Core is teaching students how to think, rather than how to get the 'approved' answer [to pass the test] and I'm all for that. Because the way students have been taught for decades is just not working well at all.
And I trust parents home schooling and [for profit or not] charter schools not much at all either.
Education is too important to muck it up, IMO.

 

[paullud]

In a YouTube video, a curriculum coordinator in Chicago explains how through this new program students can actually get the answer wrong, but still receive full credit.

That doesn't sound like "show your work and you may get partial credit". That sounds like the new liberal inspired and controlled education system where we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by telling them they are wrong.

Common Core Education is about setting federal standards for what kids need to learn. Did they make a mistake that gave full credit for a wrong answer just for showing the work on 1 or 2 problems?

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[Humble2drive]

How does one start with this statement:

. . A curriculum coordinator in Chicago explains how through this new program students can actually get the answer wrong, but still receive full credit.

And come up with this conclusion:

That sounds like the new liberal inspired and controlled education system where we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by telling them they are wrong.

You need to explain your thinking process on this wrong answer LDB.

This non mandatory program is supported by the Governors of 45 states so far. It hardly sounds liberal inspired and controlled.

 

[cheri1122]

The 'party line' has it that education is a liberal dominated field, and liberals want to control everyone, ipso facto: it's a liberal plot to control people.
How they plan to do that by encouraging students to think for themselves is beyond me, but then, I still don't understand how a 'liberal' educational system produces so many people who aren't liberal at all.
It's a conundrum, alright.