I have to side with Cheri on this on....Clint was brought in as a political tool, representing the GOP......hence he gets nailed as one....That said...Now Martin Sheen.....
CLint Eastwood to speak at the Republican Convention
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If the Dems called themselves the party of 'Family Values', or proposed the Defense of Marriage Act, I'd certainly point out their hypocrisy in asking Bill Clinton to represent them.
Which they wouldn't do of course, Clinton's disrespect of many women being common knowledge - the Republicans either don't know or care about the character of Eastwood the man, so I guess they don't think we should either. When Eastwood was an actor/director, I didn't give a flip about his character [real, not onscreen], but I care a lot about the character of the man who wants to be POTUS.
So much of what we see is scripted, and the candidates are always aware they're being recorded and/or photographed - it's tough to see who they are behind the "Pick me!" mask, and the unintentional clues help show who they really are.
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So Clint Eastwood represents the Republican party and Bill Clinton,the sexual predator, represents the Democratic party. I got it.
I have to side with Cheri on this on....Clint was brought in as a political tool, representing the GOP......hence he gets nailed as one....That said...Now Martin Sheen.....
So Clint Eastwood represents the Republican party and Bill Clinton,the sexual predator, represents the Democratic party. I got it.
The Democratic party have called themselves the party that cares about women's rights. They have deemed themselves as the defenders against a party that supposedly has a "War on Women" correct? You do see the hypocrisy in this when they are willing to have the sexual predator Bill Clinton giving the prime time key note address at the Democratic convention representing the Democratic party? What does it say about the POTOS's character when he chooses a rapist to give the key note speech? C'mon now.You see the hypocrisy don't you?
Why are you bringing up Clinton's personal life. What does that have to do with anything?
Most people like and respect what he has to say.
Why, yes. Yes I do! Thank you for that. I have also learned today that just being called a rapist is more than enough to actually make you one.
"Like and respect what he has to say"? That may be debatable. It would depend on the topic.
I'm just using a little absurdity to point out a little absurdity. The quote above is not mine. It was lifted directly out of an earlier post in this thread. Find the original and you'll find the Holy Grail of absurdity and hypocrisy.
The Dems have never claimed they represent "Family Values", nor written a Defense of Marriage Act, which is what makes Eastwood such a bad choice as a character witness. [Which is what they thought he'd be.]
Further, Clinton has not been convicted of rape nor labeled a sexual predator, even if you think he is. Had some of the accusations been made before he was elected, it might have turned out differently, but he was a POTUS, and on that subject, he's worth listening to.
I wouldn't want him as a character reference [or a marriage counselor] but if I wanted to talk about the reality of being the POTUS, [assuming I'm a Democrat] he'd be a natural choice.
Further, Clinton has not been convicted of rape nor labeled a sexual predator, even if you think he is. Had some of the accusations been made before he was elected, it might have turned out differently, but he was a POTUS, and on that subject, he's worth listening to.
I wouldn't want him as a character reference [or a marriage counselor] but if I wanted to talk about the reality of being the POTUS, [assuming I'm a Democrat] he'd be a natural choice.
Actually the statement was used to further clarify Cheri's position. It worked. If you read her next post she steps in it as far as hypocrisy goes and I was able to use the Bill Clinton example. The holy grail of hypocrisy though is Obama who is on record as saying"Rape is rape" yet asks a rapist,or alleged rapist,doesn't matter rape is rape, to give his key note speech.
So a person has to be convicted of rape to be a rapist? Labeled a sexual predator by a court of law? A person can be both even if they aren't convicted .Your not saying all those women made it all up are you? Remember Obama says "rape is rape".
The Dems claim they are the party for women's rights. How does having Bill Clinton represent that narrative? You are the one that brought up the character issue with Clint Eastwood and said it represents Republicans. I'm using your logic to apply the same standard with Bill Clinton and the Democrats,but you say it is a natural choice to listen to him.
At least some in the Democratic party don't want him even around their children.
McCaskill 2006 on Bill Clinton: “I don’t want my daughter near him” « Hot Air
So, Muttly, if some woman accused you of having raped her 20 years earlier, [after swearing otherwise in a legal deposition], with zero proof or evidence, you should be considered a rapist ever after? or even an alleged rapist?
And a former Democratic POTUS is inappropriate at the Dem convention, while a former actor/director was good for the Repubs?
Guess they couldn't get Bush to ask "Do ya miss me yet?"
And a former Democratic POTUS is inappropriate at the Dem convention, while a former actor/director was good for the Repubs?
Guess they couldn't get Bush to ask "Do ya miss me yet?"
ya know what they say...innocent till proven guilty....an accusation is just that....were these women lying? and just trying to cash in?....no one will probably ever know the whole truth...that said...I still think the Washington Monuments name should be changed to the Clinton Monument....
Yes, Muttly, that's precisely what I'm saying: a rapist must be convicted to be referred to as such, not simply accused. [Especially when the accusation lacks credibility.]
I have no idea whether any women made their accusations up, and don't really care - it isn't relevant to the topic.
You're just peeved at the observations I made about Romney, Eastwood, and the whole Family Values hypocrisy, and think labeling Clinton a rapist and sexual predator makes Romney look better.
If Clinton were running, it would, but the subject was Romney and Eastwood. If you want to discuss Obama, the Dem convention, or Clinton, start another thread, cause that's just a diversion in this one.
I have no idea whether any women made their accusations up, and don't really care - it isn't relevant to the topic.
You're just peeved at the observations I made about Romney, Eastwood, and the whole Family Values hypocrisy, and think labeling Clinton a rapist and sexual predator makes Romney look better.
If Clinton were running, it would, but the subject was Romney and Eastwood. If you want to discuss Obama, the Dem convention, or Clinton, start another thread, cause that's just a diversion in this one.
ya know what they say...innocent till proven guilty....an accusation is just that....were these women lying? and just trying to cash in?....no one will probably ever know the whole truth...that said...I still think the Washington Monuments name should be changed to the Clinton Monument....
So you could watch Hilary beat him to death [literally] with it?
[diversions are good when they're funny]
So, Muttly, if some woman accused you of having raped her 20 years earlier, [after swearing otherwise in a legal deposition], with zero proof or evidence, you should be considered a rapist ever after? or even an alleged rapist?
And a former Democratic POTUS is inappropriate at the Dem convention, while a former actor/director was good for the Repubs?
Guess they couldn't get Bush to ask "Do ya miss me yet?"
So Cheri are you referencing the Juanita Broderick incident? Would you agree if a women told a person immediately after the assault, had a busted lip, and told at least five other women within days of the assault that would tend to be a more credible victim? She did that . Didn't you lambast congressman Akin for the term "legitimate rape"? Now there seems to be a different tune from you. If your looking for a guilty in a court of law rapist i guess he isn't. If your looking for a rapist none the less,yes, Bill Clinton is a rapist. Here is a question. Is O.J a murderer ? Yes or no?
Juanita Boderick by most accounts was credible,whether you view it as a" legitimate rape" or not. You veered this thread off topic by bringing up Clint Eastwood's personal life . I just offered a comparison to your post.
ya know what they say...innocent till proven guilty....an accusation is just that....were these women lying? and just trying to cash in?....no one will probably ever know the whole truth...that said...I still think the Washington Monuments name should be changed to the Clinton Monument....
I mean all of them were lying?