Cities getting creative with Citizen Fees

mjolnir131 · Apr 17, 2009

Who lost the Toledo war ? ... Wisconsin.

layoutshooter · Apr 17, 2009

The ducks lost it. There once was an unbelievable wetlands there. It stretched from a little south of Detroit to where Cedar Point is today. At some points the wet prarie extended almost 30 west of Lake Erie. It was called the "Black Swamp". Most of it was swamp, flooded timber but there was prarie, wet praire and cattail marshes too. It had it's own "Black Fever" to go with it. The migration of birds that came through there was un-real. Most of it is gone and so are most of the birds. S.E. Michigan has lost in excess of 99% of it's wetlands and Michigan in general has lost over 50%. Ohio has the wonderful distinction of being on par with California as one of the 2 worst states in the Union for wetlands conservation and conservation in general. Ohio and California has lost over 99% of thier total wetllands. Not a legacy to be proud of. Layoutshooter

Steady Eddie · Apr 18, 2009

mjolnir131 said:
Who lost the Toledo war ? ... Wisconsin.

Wisconsin lost the UP...Michagan might have won in the long run due to finding Iron, and other good stuff up there....

Both sides couldn't fight each other due to getting lost in the swams...lol....I guess it a good thing...

Steady Eddie · Apr 18, 2009

mjolnir131 said:
Who lost the Toledo war ? ... Wisconsin.

Wisconsin lost the UP...Michagan might have won in the long run due to finding Iron, and other good stuff up there....

Both sides couldn't fight each other due to getting lost in the swams...lol....I guess it's a good thing...

greg334 · Apr 18, 2009

How did Wisconsin lose?

They were part of the Michigan territory until 1836 and the UP was considered part of the state when we became a state in 1836, leaving Wisconsin, Minnesota, part of Dakotas and Illinois to become the Wisconsin territory.

letzrockexpress · Apr 18, 2009

greg334 said:
Mind you my Mother came from Han****, on the north west part of the UP and we as kids going up there to visit our grandparents we were exposed to all kinds of horrors and delights. I posted one such adventure here but I failed to find it again.

The cuisine is unique in that part of the state because of the people from all different walks of life working closely together. Mainly people from the UK settled the area followed by finlanders, swedes, Croats, Germans Serbians and even Africans. The cusine was a mixture of these elements, for example I always thought that the bread that my grandmother made was form the old country and come to find out it came from Africa.

Now as kids we had to visit the old people, freinds of the family and they would as usual put on a big spread. Sometimes it was great food; I knew what beef wellington was before I was 8 because it was always made and served when we visited my grandfathers supervisor's family. Other times it was horrible; like the haggas on Robert Burns day (which I wrote about).

So as a kid and before I hit 10, I knew what Lutefish was and how it was made, I knew of course what pasties were and how to make them and we we so used to asking for things by their names we didn't think where they came from;
Kanelbule - cimmonon rolls
Lussekatt - saffron buns
Pettuleipaa - Bark Bread

there was a candy maker turned miner who would make what we called vinefish, which were actally called winefish and was gummy fish. He had a thick accent so the W's were alway V's. We have all kinds of great deserts to eat but there was always a balance to deal with - good vs. evil food.

It was the fish, the horrible fish that got us kids. We didn't like the reindeer roast or the pork and rabbit stew but it was the fish. I was at a drop a while ago and I smelt something that brought back a lot of memories, it was a foul stench that I have been so afriad of smelling that I had to go back to my truck and vomit. This stop had some finlanders working there and they were enjoying a day out in the sun eating their fish, surstroming fish. Now Moot can confirm this, it is herring which is fermented in a can, rotted in the can to be exact. It is an undescrible smell and when we had it as kids, we were all sick for the rest of our vacation - didn't want to eat a thing. It is served outdoors (when we had it, it was winter time and we didn't dare complain about the cold). We had to eat it, no choice and we also had the salmon version of it which I understood was local, not ethinic.

So they eat funny things.

I didn't realize hanc-ock was a dirty word....been there a few times on my way to calumet.