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Chrysler workers getting high while on break in the UAW parking lot

OntarioVanMan

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Oilerman1957 said:
What your missing is, the big 3 really like the unions in there, the unions now handle all the little and some big issues with the workers now. The company sells the union on issues then the union sells the workers.
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Management should not be so lazy...they should be doing the selling....cut out the middleman....

I am NOT totally against the unions...BUT the companies have to assert their control....if the unions want some control then they should share some of the bad times as well....like cut wages, reduced benefits....its fair.
 
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Oilerman1957

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Tennesseahawk said:
Wow... that's a strawman argument taken to a new level. Maybe that's what the jury was thinking in the Casey Anthony case.

Juror 7: Well... I was speeding the other day. I just don't feel right convicting someone of murder. Me being a lawbreaker, and all.

Juror 2: I know what you mean. I lit some firecrackers off the other day. I think we all have a duty to acquit. Afterall, we're all breaking the law, right?

Juror 10: Yeah... it's something about glass houses and throwing rocks. I had a sip of Jim Beam once in high school. I still feel guilty to this day, and could never condemn someone else. It would be so hypocritical.
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Smoking weed is just a misdemeanour, I didnt say anything about felonies, as far as strawman arguments go, acting like the actions of a few represent the whole in the unions is just as wrong. The ones who say these things in here are not jurors, and to be honest, the only ones who really know what happened in the anthony case are the ones involved, the rest is speculation.

As for the article itself, it was a union worker who turned this guy in, why did no one say something about that? or do we only look for things to bash people here?
 
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Oilerman1957

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OntarioVanMan said:
Management should not be so lazy...they should be doing the selling....cut out the middleman....

I am NOT totally against the unions...BUT the companies have to assert their control....if the unions want some control then they should share some of the bad times as well....like cut wages, reduced benefits....its fair.
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Well lets see, new hires hire in at 14 dollars an hour, no health benes when they retire, all retirement is 401k based,they pay for 15% of benes while working and there pay can never exceed like 17 or 18 dollars and hour, so they have given up things, as for the older workers, they pay more for there benes now, wage gains are nile, work rules have all changes, shorter break times and such, unless you have worked in there and know whats going on, you really dont know.
 
OntarioVanMan

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Oilerman1957 said:
Most jobs in a car plant you cant just walk up and do, regerdless of what is thought.
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When I was a foreman I used the emergency clause in the contract at times....especially when there was a football game on and workers called off sick....because union members caused the work to be stopped or slowed down by their own tardiness...I'd have day foreman do the work...

I used to have electricians clean washrooms when needed....as long as I paid them within their wage classification....if they refused...I'd send them home for refusing work...and write them up...
 
OntarioVanMan

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Oilerman1957 said:
Well lets see, new hires hire in at 14 dollars an hour, no health benes when they retire, all retirement is 401k based,they pay for 15% of benes while working and there pay can never exceed like 17 or 18 dollars and hour, so they have given up things, as for the older workers, they pay more for there benes now, wage gains are nile, work rules have all changes, shorter break times and such, unless you have worked in there and know whats going on, you really dont know.
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and the problem with that is? it is a new dawn, a new age...things and conditions change...
 
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greg334 said:
Yes you read it right. Our great Fox local news hacks were tipped to this happening and setup cameras to see if it was true and OPPS it was.

Chrysler workers get caught

Now before anyone says anything, this is common stuff. when an outside complaint happens, they are 'relieved' of their work duty and sometimes 'fired' but it doesn't happen often that they get caught by someone outside the company.

One of the reasons I complain a lot about the UAW is exactly this. in the piece the had on TV, the UAW local rep said he was not aware of the activities but it is hard to believe that seeing it actually happened on their property.
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The old adage- "Don't buy an American car made on a Monday or Friday" is alive and well.

On a more serious note, I continue to be perplexed by the fact that the big 3 haven't shifted their operations to "Right to work" states and thus side stepping the UAW. To my way of thinking, Arizona or Texas would be ideal candidates, given their respective business climates and close proximity to Mexico where a lot of parts are made.
 
scottm4211

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My 06 Chev Express 330k miles and never been touched. 05 Cobalt (Mexico build?) 210k and same story. I'll take the junk they put out any day :p
Don't fall for the Japanese myth. That's all it is. Glad that karma caught up with Toyota.
 
Camper

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Many of the Toyotas sold today are technically American in that they're assembled in the States. In fact, many of the so-called foreign cars on the road today are FINO(foreign in name only).


scottm4211 said:
My 06 Chev Express 330k miles and never been touched. 05 Cobalt (Mexico build?) 210k and same story. I'll take the junk they put out any day :p
Don't fall for the Japanese myth. That's all it is. Glad that karma caught up with Toyota.
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scottm4211

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Camper said:
Many of the Toyotas sold today are technically American in that they're assembled in the States. Many of the so-called foreign cars are FINO(foreign in name only).






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Yup I built them up here for 4 yrs :p
 
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Oilerman1957

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Camper said:
Many of the Toyotas sold today are technically American in that they're assembled in the States. In fact, many of the so-called foreign cars on the road today are FINO(foreign in name only).






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Thats not true, only 30% of what toyota sells here is built here, where as 65% of what Gm sells here is built here
 
chefdennis

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Oiler wrote:

The problem with that is, it lowers everyone pay and benes from tool shops to small factories.
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Such is life...there are millions of people unemployed...while alot of them will stay on unemployment instead of going to work, let those that have wages cut quit because of it and see just how fast those jobs can be filled....

I have a list of guys that will jump at the chance to drive my van if or when I need to change drivers....and that time just may be coming ...soon...
 
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Oilerman1957

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chefdennis said:
Oiler wrote:



Such is life...there are millions of people unemployed...while alot of them will stay on unemployment instead of going to work, let those that have wages cut quit because of it and see just how fast those jobs can be filled....

I have a list of guys that will jump at the chance to drive my van if or when I need to change drivers....and that time just may be coming ...soon...
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Your such a caring person, Im just going to shut up here.
 
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Oilerman1957 said:
Thats not true, only 30% of what toyota sells here is built here, where as 65% of what Gm sells here is built here
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Be that as it may, Toyota, I believe employs more Americans than GM does. I don't have the actual statistics handy but I recall watching a segment on CNBC that stated that premise. If I'm not mistaken, they recently built a research & development facility in Ann Arbor.

Also, 35% of Toyota's volume might very well equate to more(or close) than 65% of GM's volume, given that Toyota has a substantially higher sales volume.



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