Not comparing them, just pointing out that these two governors got it right.
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It can also be credibly argued that these two governors pushed policies that killed a number of people who did not need to die.
danthewolf00
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So did most Democrat governors.....
And that was the point of not having lockdowns and restrictions, their thought is since the virus was good at killing the weaker members of society the more of them that died the better off the rest of us are.
Human nature sucks huh?
Well to be fair since the population density of and average age in Florida is way higher than South Dakota she really didnt need to get her residents to do much, but instead of pleading for people to take a few precautions, she did absolutely nothing. At least in the beginning Desantis did take some preventative measures, it was later that he went off the rails.
Please provide specifics. What were the policies that directly caused the deaths of "people who did not need to die"? As if anybody needs to die.
How about the fact that Desantis not only didn't have a state mask mandate but he also forbid any local government from enacting a mask mandate?
There are plenty of rural areas in Florida that probably didn't need a mandate, but especially the 3 south Florida counties a mandate was necessary.
No, that is not what they thought.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
Oh the nursing homes getting covid-19 patients.
The only way shutdowns might have helped a great deal was to have everyone stay home for two weeks and seal the borders and no travel coming in. That would have been like a martial law kind of thing.
Anything less was basically an exercise in futility.
Anything less was basically an exercise in futility.
Regarding the effectiveness and impacts of shutdowns, it's wise to keep in mind the difference in perspective we have now, looking back on things, and in January, 2019, when COVID-19 was something completely new and deeply troublesome to many. In the early days of COVID-19, there were no vaccines, no treatments, no cures. The virus was spreading through countries like wildfire and killing, hospitalizing or making many seriously ill. Governments worldwide were pressing their panic buttons. People of all stripes were troubled, if not outright terrified. We've never seen anything like this in our lifetimes. Normal life was shattered as we had more questions than answers.
Shutdowns and lockdowns made more sense then because most knew the virus was real and we did not know how ineffective the shutdowns/lockdowns would turn out to be. Back then, I did not like it when our gym was shut down but we went along because (1) we had no choice, and (2) we were OK doing our part. But if someone proposed a shutdown/lockdown today, I would fiercely oppose it, knowing what we know now.
Shutdowns and lockdowns made more sense then because most knew the virus was real and we did not know how ineffective the shutdowns/lockdowns would turn out to be. Back then, I did not like it when our gym was shut down but we went along because (1) we had no choice, and (2) we were OK doing our part. But if someone proposed a shutdown/lockdown today, I would fiercely oppose it, knowing what we know now.
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No mandate means no mandate, but people were free to wear masks then and can still wear them if they so choose.
More information coming out from JAMA Pediatrics now that there's been time to gather data on covid masks: they're bad for kids. Of course many parents have known this from the beginning, but this study offers some credible confirmation. This publication comes at the same time a court case begins in VA involving seven school districts filing suit against Gov. Youngkin's executive order revoking his predecessor's mask mandate in VA schools. It will be interesting to see how that turns out.
"The study, published Wednesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association Pediatrics section, found that the wearing of nose and mouth coverings by children leads to an increase in carbon dioxide levels in both inhaled and exhaled air while wearing a mask."
"The study, published Wednesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association Pediatrics section, found that the wearing of nose and mouth coverings by children leads to an increase in carbon dioxide levels in both inhaled and exhaled air while wearing a mask."
Interesting findings:
alexberenson.substack.com
Natural immunity for the win yet again
Researchers find people who have recovered from Covid have similar spike protein antibody levels whether they were infected 20 days or 20 months ago.
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The media certainly won't report it.New study from Johns Hopkins shows negligible benefit from covid lockdowns. Wonder if this information will effect federal and state policies going forward, or will Fauci and blue state governors even read it?
"According to the study, “lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality,” and in the U.S. and Europe, “only reduced COVID-19 mortality by .2% on average...
What the lockdowns did do is have “enormous economic and social costs...
The researchers conclude that “lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
The "media" literally just did ... Pilgrim linked it in his post.
And if that isn't good enough for you here's a couple more:
Johns Hopkins University study finds lockdowns only reduced COVID deaths by 0.2%
COVID Lockdowns Have Little Health Benefit: Johns Hopkins Study
I don't think it will matter much if they read it or not. The Omicron peak is barely behind us. The COVID-19 new case count reached astounding levels compared to previous peaks. If any lockdowns happened in the most-recent wave, they were little reported. It seems political leaders nationwide have come to understand that lockdowns do more harm than good. They are not effective because they are not universally complied with and they are not politically sustainable.
Good news for those that take a Vitamin D supplement.
www.timesofisrael.com
Israeli study offers strongest proof yet of vitamin D’s power to fight COVID
Bolstering previous research, scientists publish 'remarkable' data showing strong link between vitamin deficiency, prevalent in Israel, and death or serious illness among patients
www.timesofisrael.com
The "media" is the Mainstream Media, or the "mass media", A.K.A., the liberal networks and print/digital media where the majority of people get their news.The "media" literally just did ... Pilgrim linked it in his post.
And if that isn't good enough for you here's a couple more:
Johns Hopkins University study finds lockdowns only reduced COVID deaths by 0.2%
COVID Lockdowns Have Little Health Benefit: Johns Hopkins Study
CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC all ignored the anti-lockdown findings after having spent much of the pandemic shaming red states with minimal restrictions and events deemed by critics as "superspreaders." In addition, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Associated Press, Reuters, USA Today, Axios, Politico among other major outlets also turned a blind eye to the findings.