C-Time?
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With all due respect, that's hogwash. The congestion pricing is not always an increase in tolls, [in some places/times it's a decrease for travelling during off peak times], and it is having a positive effect, according to actual measurements.
One interesting note: many truck drivers reported being unable to take advantage of the lower cost of tolls to enter NYC because they could not adjust their delivery times. In some cases, [retail & restaurants come to mind] that's an unavoidable truth. Still, in many of the places we deliver, the arrival time could be changed without significant harm - it happens all the time, whether due to delays enroute or at the dock, but no one seems to be considering it.
Old habits die hard, but how else do we progress?
With all due respect, that's hogwash. The congestion pricing is not always an increase in tolls, [in some places/times it's a decrease for travelling during off peak times], and it is having a positive effect, according to actual measurements.
One interesting note: many truck drivers reported being unable to take advantage of the lower cost of tolls to enter NYC because they could not adjust their delivery times. In some cases, [retail & restaurants come to mind] that's an unavoidable truth. Still, in many of the places we deliver, the arrival time could be changed without significant harm - it happens all the time, whether due to delays enroute or at the dock, but no one seems to be considering it.
Old habits die hard, but how else do we progress?
What measurements? Links please? Change delivery times? MOST places we pick up and deliver at are 9-5 operations. Many are union, who get premium pay for off hour shifts and/or overtime. Few shippers are willing to pay that. The law makers KNOW that.
Retail could move to all night delieveries without a problem, they won't, it costs them more. Don't know about restaurants, never fooled with that part of retail.
Links?
Just read the Wiki article on congestion pricing, [as I just did], and follow the links at the bottom of the page as appropriate.
As somebody is fond of saying, "consider it homework, then get back to me".
Not tonight, going to bed now. Have to get up early to drive to TX. Sorry to say I am back to work.
Not interested in homework. Don't catch fish, don't help with ducks or deer, no point in it. Was a waste of time in school and even more so now.
Deville
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Next time you are running like that I suggestion listening to 1010 wins of the AM dial or XM traffic than you can get an idea of which way you should go. I don't want to be harsh but all you people do is post how miserable you are in northeast or NYC traffic but yet continue to take the same approach.
How is it i've been running this area my entire career & haven't lost my mind yet? It's because I know my way around. So next time you are in this situation, bail out of 95 south jump on 287/87 N/E take that over the Tapenzee bridge, no toll in that direction follow that to 287/rt 17s into NJ than jump on 17 South & make your way back to 95 south NJTP.
The 38 extra miles it is as opposed to staying on 95 & going though the Bronx to the GWB but it's sure worth it & it's not going to take 6 hours. Not to mention all the trees that will be spared being made into tissues that you won't need anymore from the lack of crying about NYC traffic.
You're welcome.
Next time you are running like that I suggestion listening to 1010 wins of the AM dial or XM traffic than you can get an idea of which way you should go. I don't want to be harsh but all you people do is post how miserable you are in northeast or NYC traffic but yet continue to take the same approach.
How is it i've been running this area my entire career & haven't lost my mind yet? It's because I know my way around. So next time you are in this situation, bail out of 95 south jump on 287/87 N/E take that over the Tapenzee bridge, no toll in that direction follow that to 287/rt 17s into NJ than jump on 17 South & make your way back to 95 south NJTP.
The 38 extra miles it is as opposed to staying on 95 & going though the Bronx to the GWB but it's sure worth it & it's not going to take 6 hours. Not to mention all the trees that will be spared being made into tissues that you won't need anymore from the lack of crying about NYC traffic.
You're welcome.
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Deville
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Out od Long Island? What part of he island are they running? So just to to JFK in Quenns which is NYC they want another $500 & get it. Please PLEASE post the name of this company so I can sign on with them.
bubblehead
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Oh now I get it! LOL
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no..they'll cry about the the 38 extra miles and want paid for that too...
no..they'll cry about the the 38 extra miles and want paid for that too...
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Who says we have not changed our approach? Indeed we have. The change is to not go into that area any more unless the money is fantastic. The result is far fewer runs to and from there with a wonderful drop in the amount of tolls paid, potholes hit and aggravation experienced. It was a good load that took us to CT.
The load that took us through NYC would have been declined in most other circumstances but this time we had a need to move to/toward Florida for company training the next week. When you are sitting in CT, and get offered a run that takes you 600 miles closer to where you want to be, you take the load.
About routing, we're not stupid. We used the internet and Sirius NYC traffic radio to plan ahead. All looked good but once we were in, everything locked up. Heavy rain was a contributing factor. And once you are parked on I-95, it does not matter what alternative routes exist. If you cant' move more than a few yards every few minutes, you can't get to the alternative routes either.
Why have you not lost your mind when the area is known to drive other people crazy? It's for the same reason that someone is willing to get a job servicing outhouses where someone else cannot even imagine doing such a thing ... conditioning and tolerance. It's not logical, it's emotional and in that, to each his own.
I spoke to an expediter a while ago who has been in this business a long, long time. He said he used to drive in the Northeast a lot but has come to hate it so much now that he rarely goes up there anymore. So too with Diane and me and New York City. What changes in one's mind and heart to make that happen? I don't know.
Who says we have not changed our approach? Indeed we have. The change is to not go into that area any more unless the money is fantastic. The result is far fewer runs to and from there with a wonderful drop in the amount of tolls paid, potholes hit and aggravation experienced. It was a good load that took us to CT.
The load that took us through NYC would have been declined in most other circumstances but this time we had a need to move to/toward Florida for company training the next week. When you are sitting in CT, and get offered a run that takes you 600 miles closer to where you want to be, you take the load.
About routing, we're not stupid. We used the internet and Sirius NYC traffic radio to plan ahead. All looked good but once we were in, everything locked up. Heavy rain was a contributing factor. And once you are parked on I-95, it does not matter what alternative routes exist. If you cant' move more than a few yards every few minutes, you can't get to the alternative routes either.
Why have you not lost your mind when the area is known to drive other people crazy? It's for the same reason that someone is willing to get a job servicing outhouses where someone else cannot even imagine doing such a thing ... conditioning and tolerance. It's not logical, it's emotional and in that, to each his own.
I spoke to an expediter a while ago who has been in this business a long, long time. He said he used to drive in the Northeast a lot but has come to hate it so much now that he rarely goes up there anymore. So too with Diane and me and New York City. What changes in one's mind and heart to make that happen? I don't know.
This is a power-only company. Tractor owner-operators pick up and deliver customer-supplied trailers and the trailers may be anything from an ordinary dry van to oversize flatbed to old junkers being delivered to new owners to brand new trailers being delivered to trailer dealers to specialized trailers that are used as luxury suites at sporting events or as equipment platforms at various job sites.
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You are the main advocate here on EO of "Drive less, make more." You don't do that by giving away the miles you dive.
You are the main advocate here on EO of "Drive less, make more." You don't do that by giving away the miles you dive.
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That is certainly part of it if not all of it. When the novelty of NYC wore off for us, NYC became less tolerable. I love NYC as a tourist. If I won big in the lottery, I would buy an apartment there to use as a tourism base and vacation place. Did you know that there are over 1,000 museums in NYC? Just walking the streets and taking in the sights is a fascinating experience. The attractions are endless. But it's no place for a truck, at least not for a truck we drive, not any more.
Hey Deville, whatcha gonna do when they rebuild the Tap in 2014 & following? For now, though, you are absolutely correct, although I'd be tempted to run 287 a longer way, such as down to 80 to grab 280, or even all the way down to grab the pike at Metuchen. Or is that too far out around?
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Deville
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Right now I am stuck in the middle of several major projects that at some point will all be going on at the same time.
Since they are building a new bridge next to the old Tap the impact won't be tremendous. They have been laying down the ground work for the new pileings for a while now.
The project that disturbs me the most is the deck replacement on the VZB. It's a complete retrofit upper & lower deck, road wideing, shoulders, permanent HOV/bus lane & they are going to set it up for a light rail on the bottom deck,That is going to really mess things up for a while. They have been doing a similar project on the Whitestone bridge for about 7 years now with no end in sight & that bridge is only one level.
At the same time the VZB project is heppening we will still have the SIEXPWY rebuild going on, than the Gotheals bridge replacement project stats which like the Tap shouldn't be too much of an issue since it's a replacement & he Bayonne bridge raising project which is an amazing feat in it self.