Ding ding ding. 100% correct. Only time CDL comes into play is when you run placards under.26001 gvwr
Buying sprinter vs 10-14k GVWR box truck?
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Right now the 3500 is a super single and it's over 10K and it's 48.3 inches between the wheel wells. Like Xiggi said about the 2018. Under 10K and SRW.
I am in your same position except I drive for a company driving a 16' box with a sleeper that can carry 6 pallets but the truck is a 10k GVW and I by pass weight stations .I am looking to go O/O after this election is over but I can honestly say that these box trucks are better for the job then the vans.
Have you drove other vehicles in this business? Why do you feel they are better, often if someone is hauling 5 or 6 pallets there is a good chance they are overweight, I wouldn't think a 16 foot box with a bunk has much weight capacity left before hitting 10,001. Have you scaled it without freight? I personally think comfort has a lot to do with success in this job and in no way is a 16 foot box as comfortable to drive 700 miles as say a transit or sprinter.
Many out here ignore that fact, some even believe as long as the door tag is under they don't need to stop even if freight puts them over.
I used to enjoy passing the DRW vans pulled over in Ohio...driver getting an expensive education
It's common sense, if it was legal everybody would have one, no point to our vans except under 10k
It's common sense, if it was legal everybody would have one, no point to our vans except under 10k
The vehicle's GVWR is found on a sticker or metal plate affixed to the frame of the driver door by the manufacturer. There may be a secondary sticker with a new weight rating if a modifier has changed the GVWR, but it should always be in addition to and not instead of the OEM sticker.
Neither of these stickers are the same as black vinyl lettering applied to the doors by some yahoo that says "10 000 GVWR"
The lightest GVWR dually I know of is 12,000 pounds. If the truck has dually wheels, it's a near certainty that it's not a 10,000 GVWR vehicle and that the owner is trying to pull a fast one, and is throwing the driver under the bus, because it's the driver, not the owner, that will be hit with operating a CMV with no log book, no medical card and misrepresenting a CMV to avoid federal regulations. The total amount of the fines will make you crap your pants.
Truck manufacturers, by law, assign certain numbers and/or letters to the VIN that corresponds to a specific weight rating range. Enter your VIN here to find your vehicle's GVWR.
Here's mine:
I believe a 16' DRW, bare bones, box truck has to scale close to 8500 lbs. empty. Figure 150 lbs. for the extra 2 wheels and tires. Heavier frame and suspension. Larger fuel tank(s). Roll up door etc. Now throw in some creature comforts, personal stuff and E-track and one would be lucky to legally be able to haul 1500 lbs. 6 pallets? Packing peanuts, maybe.
guido4475
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Why haul 4 to 6 pallats, for the crap freight rates that are currently being offered now?. Leave the bigger loads to the straights.
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Because he wants to be a real trucker.
No its because you get access to more freight at least that's my thinking behind it. 5 loads at crap rates is better than 3 a crap rates because 2 of those loads were for 4 pallets.
I'm sitting next to some dude in a transit 350hd and dudes got a probably 16ft box on the back with a sticker on the door "gvwr 9953". Not sure if he just put that there as a way to deter dot or what. Maybe I can run into him tomorrow.
If it's a dually then it's got a GVWR of 10,360 pounds. The upfitter who put the box on it may have officially derated the vehicle to 9953 by placing a modifier sticker next to the OEM sticker.
With a curb weight of 6941 and a GVWR of 9953, that leaves only 3012 payload, and that's before creature comforts, personal effects, tools and cargo securements are added. He'll be doing really good to get as much as 2500 cargo capacity out of that.
Derating is dangerous, especially one that is that close to the 10,000 limit, as when you go overweight you're not merely overweight, you're operating a CMV without a logbook, medical card, and the rest of the issues along with all that. And the DOT takes a particularly dim view when you derate a vehicle and then go ahead and run it as if it wasn't derated, That's not an innocent mistake that can be explained away or forgiven, that's intentional. Those who have a 12,000 GVWR vehicle and just slap a 10,000 GVWR lettering on the doors usually get caught and get into a really lot of trouble, but the trouble they get into is nothing compared to someone who officially derates their vehicle and then continues to run as a CMV. And if they get caught because of an accident, somebody's going to jail.
This is serious business.
Well I'm definately not trying to break any laws. I'm wondering if derating it and carrying 4 pallets at a max of 2500 would get me more or less freight accessibility versus 3 with my current set up at around 3500
There are certainly several 3 and 4 pallet loads out there, but there's a reason that most expediting trucks can carry one or two pallets, or more than 4 pallets, and it's because most expedite loads are 1 or 2 pallets, or 5 or more.
If you can haul 4 pallets you'll get a few 4 pallet loads. But that doesn't necessarily mean you're running instead of sitting. Usually it just means that you're running it for cheaper than the customer would otherwise pay to put it on two vans or one straight truck. If you can't carry 4 skids then you'll simply get a 1 or 2 skid load, instead.
The goal really shouldn't be to see how many pallets you can haul or to see how often you can haul heavy. You'll make a snotload more money per mile hauling 150 pounds than you will hauling 3000 pounds. The line haul rate is usually the same for 1 or 4 pallets, but your CPM is far less with one or two light skids than it is with 3 or 4 heavy skids. Give me a 50 pound box or an envelope any time over a 3000 pound load.
The self-fooling happens when "Ha ha ha, I'm loaded with 4 pallets that you can't haul. Neener Neener," when the other guy a few minutes later gets a two skid load that nets him more per mile.
If you can haul 4 pallets you'll get a few 4 pallet loads. But that doesn't necessarily mean you're running instead of sitting. Usually it just means that you're running it for cheaper than the customer would otherwise pay to put it on two vans or one straight truck. If you can't carry 4 skids then you'll simply get a 1 or 2 skid load, instead.
The goal really shouldn't be to see how many pallets you can haul or to see how often you can haul heavy. You'll make a snotload more money per mile hauling 150 pounds than you will hauling 3000 pounds. The line haul rate is usually the same for 1 or 4 pallets, but your CPM is far less with one or two light skids than it is with 3 or 4 heavy skids. Give me a 50 pound box or an envelope any time over a 3000 pound load.
The self-fooling happens when "Ha ha ha, I'm loaded with 4 pallets that you can't haul. Neener Neener," when the other guy a few minutes later gets a two skid load that nets him more per mile.
Myself personally don't see the benefit of carrying more skids and more weight. For one thing the more weight you carry on a continuous basis and the faster your truck wears out. Plus it's not safe to run that heavy. My current setup is 3 to 4 pallets with a gross carrying capacity of 3000 lbs and no more. For one thing it doesn't pay me extra money to run more weight so I don't do it.
If you want a big truck get a big truck and leave the van loads to us....why are people always trying to make CV's bigger?...
MY advice.....with rates the way they are.......MPG's are where its at....run lean, run smart......
MY advice.....with rates the way they are.......MPG's are where its at....run lean, run smart......