So you know Carson wasn't at the other banquet? Got it.
Ben Carson and the 3rd rail
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Yes, we know that.
Carson says he met Westmoreland after marching in a Memorial Day parade in Detroit. Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit.
Yes we know he said that. He might be confusing the time he met Westmoreland with the earlier banquet when he was in Detroit. It does happen you know. People recalling something from over twenty years ago( his 1992 book) might mix up the two occasions. Heck, sometimes I forget where I drove a few days ago. Lol
Was it this kind of confusion that cost Brian Williams his job?
You mean the OTHER banquet in Detroit that Westmoreland was at after the Memorial Day Parade in which Carson marched? Yes, as Rags said, we know that. Carson said the Memorial Day parade march capped his senior year in high school. And, “To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day,” Carson wrote.
That's not something you write about a banquet in February. And no matter how fuzzy your recollection skills are, it's stretches credulity that someone could confuse a February banquet honoring a single, not two, but one CMH recipient, with a banquet following the pinnacle of his high school ROTC career.
Rags beat me to it. This is the kind of misremembering and embellishments that cost news anchors their jobs. It's certainly not the kind of qualities we look for in someone who will have their finger on the The Button.
Not to mention the fact that if The Button really and truly needs to be pushed, it better not happen between sundown Friday and sundown Saturday, cause it won't get pushed until Saturday Dark.
Probably not. Williams claimed he was shot down, which didn't happen.
Carson claimed he met Westmoreland and that he was offered a 'scholarship' to West Point.
He may still have met Westmoreland at the other banquet and could have been told by him or other WP brass that 'you're as good as in' if you want to come to West Point.
Remembering something from twenty years prior. Someone can get some of their facts wrong. It doesn't mean their lying or senile. It's pretty much human nature. I do believe he did meet Westmoreland at the previous banquet and was impressed upon him ( him or WP brass) that he could have a scholarship. He remembers that there was a Medal of Honor recipient, just that there were two and not one. It's not a big deal that he mixed up some of the details. It was over twenty years prior and now almost 50 years ago. Nice touch though playing the 'finger on the Nuclear button card'.
Mixing up details can be forgiven, as it happens to everyone. But two CMH recipients instead of one, and a cold February day instead of a life-highlighting Memorial Day parade, are not details. Those are big picture things. Details are the minutia that comprise the big picture.
I do wonder if those (no one in particular) who are so vigorously defending Carson, excusing everything, would be so vigorous in defending and excusing Obama or Hilary for the same kinds of misremembered details.
Carson is starting to remind me of Vanilla Ice, and isn't that funny.
Carson is starting to remind me of Vanilla Ice, and isn't that funny.
Now that Carson has proved he can lie with the best of them, who benefits?
Ben Carson got caught: Who stands to benefit
Ben Carson got caught: Who stands to benefit
Not really proven that he actually lied nor that he made up the story about being offered a scholorship. He may very well had been promised a scholorship, but merely confused the exact date and occasion of events.
An example of someone recalling a significant occasion would be this:
A person had to recall the very first time they had a date with their future wife. Some may vividly and accurately recall the restaurant and movie they went to. Others may confuse their first date with the second or third and get the wrong movie and restaurant. But the occasions were within a relatively close time period twenty years ago.
I couldn't say with certainty the exact restaurant or movie of my first date, but could recall restaurants and movies that we went to in that time period.
A person had to recall the very first time they had a date with their future wife. Some may vividly and accurately recall the restaurant and movie they went to. Others may confuse their first date with the second or third and get the wrong movie and restaurant. But the occasions were within a relatively close time period twenty years ago.
I couldn't say with certainty the exact restaurant or movie of my first date, but could recall restaurants and movies that we went to in that time period.
Except in the history of the entire world, no one has ever been offered a scholarship to West Point other than those poor, disadvantaged blacks who were offered the Eli Whitney Foundation Headstart Common Core Cotton Pickin' Scholarship in West Point, Mississippi. But they haven't given those out since the 60s. Well, the 1860s.
Looking back on it now it's significant, but at the time it was not. At the time you didn't know it was going to be your future wife - it was just another date (that you hoped was gonna lead to sex). It's an occasion that doesn't become significant (at least to men) until much later, and at the time it occurred wasn't all that important or life changing, which is why men rarely remember the details of such an event.
I've heard comments that since Ben Carson was active in the ROTC program and that he excelled in it, along with getting explemplary grades in school, as well as being a minority, that he would have been slam dunk to get a 'scholarship' to W.P.
It would have behooved Westmoreland and his brass to heavily recruit a young Ben Carson to go there. It's very plausible they would have made assurances to him that he is ' as good as in'. In fact, it would have been derelict for them not to make the effort during that time period to such a exceptional candidate.
Except for the fact that Westmoreland wasn't in Detroit as Carson claims.
Aha! Got him, Inspector Clouseau.