barry is really 119 yrs old???

[Turtle]

Yes, like returning to the rule of the Constitution?

That's the simplistic, non-thought out version of the ramifications. Think a little harder.

He still is an employee of the People of the United States. I cannot even begin to imagine an employee of mine refusing to answer a VALID question, they would have been fired on the spot, as should Obama.

It's not a valid question at this point. It was before he ran, and it was asked and answered to the satisfaction of Congress. Besides, the employee-employer relationship of an elected official is not the same as that of a private business. You don't, in fact, have the power to fire him on the spot.

Agian, Just who in the heck does he think he is? MY BOSS? I DON"T THINK SO!!

I didn't realize that Obama has been bossing you around.

He has spent millions of dollars keeping most of his records that would be public record locked away.....

Actually, the records in question are generally private records that some are demanding that he make public. The fact that previous presidents have released theirs does not make Obama's record any less private. He can chose to release them or not, it's up to him.

he is hiding something...if it isn't citizenship (and it very well might not be) then what doesn't he want the american people to know??

"If you don't want to talk, then you must be hiding something" is one of the most dangerous positions to take. It lends itself to reaching conclusions based purely on conjecture and nothing else. "If you've got nothing to hide, then show it!" infers that if you don't show it, you have something to hide, as in, guilty until proven innocent.

It is very wise advice to never talk to the police, whether you have anything to hide or not. There are like 20,000 laws on the books and you will probably incriminate yourself for at least one of them during a casual conversation with a cop. You have nothing to gain by talking, and only something to lose, valid or not. What will Obama have to gain by producing the records that some so feverishly want him to produce? And no, it won't be to satisfy the questions and make everything all hunky dory. The people who want these documents want them to comb through them to find something they can use against him, much like the cop engaging you in casual conversation. Obama would be a fool to produce anything at this point.

This whole birth certificate thing is a near clinic on mob mentality. What started out as a simple question exploded when it hit the Blogosphere. The question is,however, how do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or even pure partisanship, that they're being tricked? The answer is, of course, you can't. No matter what you produce, it won't prove anything to them. No matter what facts are presented, they will refuse to believe them. At this point, if Obama's stone cold original birth certificate were produced, do you think anyone would believe it is anything other than a fake? There are already stories out there to support that very contention, detailed to the point where they know how, where and on what equipment it was forged.

It is set up now so that no matter what is produced, regardless of who authenticates it, it will be labeled as a fake. If it is authenticated by an unimpeachable authenticator, it will merely be labeled as a really good fake.

And why is it ok for him to have use 39 different SS#'s?? If you or i used anyone different then the one we were issued, in this day and age, we'd be charged with ID Theft...........

Did he use 39 different Social Security numbers? I don't know. Where's the proof that links him unquestionably, not merely circumstantially, but unquestionably, to having more than one?

I once received a SS Card from the Social Security Adminstration that had an incorrect number on it. What does that mean? Will someone dig that up and accuse me of using or obtaining a false SS#? I don't know. The SS Adminstration also, on far too many occasions, have mixed me and my dad up, we share the same name. Will I be accused of identity theft, of impersonating a dead man in his 80's? I dunno.

And i am only asking becuase i have never seen it in print or heard it talked about....did barry register with the selective service? and if he did, under what name????

I don't know if he did or not. I would imagine that he did, based on his Selective Registration Card that was obtained via the Freedom of Information Act from the Selective Service System.

I didn't register, though. Between the end of Draft registration and Carter administration's retroactive reinstitution the Selective Service Registration in 1980, there was a period between March 29, 1957 and December 31, 1959 where if your birth fell in that time frame you were completely excempt from registration. Mine fell into that time fame.

Obama's did not. He was born August of 1961, and would have had to register sometime around the 4th week of July 1980. Apparently, he did just that. And, of course, it is a forgery, of course!

"Show me what I want to see so that I may proclaim it a forgery!"

Obama is a liar. He's hiding documents that prove he's a liar. And when he produces a document, if it doesn't prove that he's a liar then it's a forgery which makes him a liar. Obama is a liar.

That's like tying a 50 pound stone around the neck of an accused witch and then tossing them into the lake, saying that if you don't drown, you're a witch because you used witchcraft to save yourself, if you drown, you're not a witch because you possessed no witchcraft and are therefore innocent of the charges.

It's also a little like heads I win tails you lose.

Register that shotgun! What have you to hide?

Take this random drug test! What have you to hide?

Blow into this Breathalizer! If you don't, you're admitting guilt! What other reason could you possibly have for not doing so?

Produce all those documents! What have you to hide?

 

[Dreammaker]

Originally Posted By Turtle

The SS Adminstration also, on far too many occasions, have mixed me and my dad up, we share the same name. Will I be accused of identity theft, of impersonating a dead man in his 80's? I dunno.

Are you really Turtle, Jr.?

 

[Steady Eddie]

who said it was phoney? the GOP didn't say anything...

You darned well know it doesn't matter if he had proof..and showed the world.....the critics here would STILL call it a fake/counterfeit. *L*

You guys are like a rapid dog..once you get onto a piece of meat there is no lettin go...

You might as well save that $675.00 fee....woofwoof

 

[Poorboy]

who said it was phoney? the GOP didn't say anything...

You darned well know it doesn't matter if he had proof..and showed the world.....the critics here would STILL call it a fake/counterfeit. *L*

You guys are like a rapid dog..once you get onto a piece of meat there is no lettin go...

Have You Seen It?? Obviously Not because alll you have to do is Look at it and See That it is a Fake!! The GOP Probably Did Say Something about it and was Shut Up Either By The Dems and Or The Media! Your Darned Right I;m Like a Rabid Dog Especially when Something Is NOT Right and Will Continue to do so because There's something awful Smelly about Him and His Birth Certificate.

 

[layoutshooter]

That's the simplistic, non-thought out version of the ramifications. Think a little harder.

It's not a valid question at this point. It was before he ran, and it was asked and answered to the satisfaction of Congress. Besides, the employee-employer relationship of an elected official is not the same as that of a private business. You don't, in fact, have the power to fire him on the spot.

I didn't realize that Obama has been bossing you around.

Actually, the records in question are generally private records that some are demanding that he make public. The fact that previous presidents have released theirs does not make Obama's record any less private. He can chose to release them or not, it's up to him.

"If you don't want to talk, then you must be hiding something" is one of the most dangerous positions to take. It lends itself to reaching conclusions based purely on conjecture and nothing else. "If you've got nothing to hide, then show it!" infers that if you don't show it, you have something to hide, as in, guilty until proven innocent.

It is very wise advice to never talk to the police, whether you have anything to hide or not. There are like 20,000 laws on the books and you will probably incriminate yourself for at least one of them during a casual conversation with a cop. You have nothing to gain by talking, and only something to lose, valid or not. What will Obama have to gain by producing the records that some so feverishly want him to produce? And no, it won't be to satisfy the questions and make everything all hunky dory. The people who want these documents want them to comb through them to find something they can use against him, much like the cop engaging you in casual conversation. Obama would be a fool to produce anything at this point.

This whole birth certificate thing is a near clinic on mob mentality. What started out as a simple question exploded when it hit the Blogosphere. The question is,however, how do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or even pure partisanship, that they're being tricked? The answer is, of course, you can't. No matter what you produce, it won't prove anything to them. No matter what facts are presented, they will refuse to believe them. At this point, if Obama's stone cold original birth certificate were produced, do you think anyone would believe it is anything other than a fake? There are already stories out there to support that very contention, detailed to the point where they know how, where and on what equipment it was forged.

It is set up now so that no matter what is produced, regardless of who authenticates it, it will be labeled as a fake. If it is authenticated by an unimpeachable authenticator, it will merely be labeled as a really good fake.

Did he use 39 different Social Security numbers? I don't know. Where's the proof that links him unquestionably, not merely circumstantially, but unquestionably, to having more than one?

I once received a SS Card from the Social Security Adminstration that had an incorrect number on it. What does that mean? Will someone dig that up and accuse me of using or obtaining a false SS#? I don't know. The SS Adminstration also, on far too many occasions, have mixed me and my dad up, we share the same name. Will I be accused of identity theft, of impersonating a dead man in his 80's? I dunno.

I don't know if he did or not. I would imagine that he did, based on his Selective Registration Card that was obtained via the Freedom of Information Act from the Selective Service System.

I didn't register, though. Between the end of Draft registration and Carter administration's retroactive reinstitution the Selective Service Registration in 1980, there was a period between March 29, 1957 and December 31, 1959 where if your birth fell in that time frame you were completely excempt from registration. Mine fell into that time fame.

Obama's did not. He was born August of 1961, and would have had to register sometime around the 4th week of July 1980. Apparently, he did just that. And, of course, it is a forgery, of course!

"Show me what I want to see so that I may proclaim it a forgery!"

Obama is a liar. He's hiding documents that prove he's a liar. And when he produces a document, if it doesn't prove that he's a liar then it's a forgery which makes him a liar. Obama is a liar.

That's like tying a 50 pound stone around the neck of an accused witch and then tossing them into the lake, saying that if you don't drown, you're a witch because you used witchcraft to save yourself, if you drown, you're not a witch because you possessed no witchcraft and are therefore innocent of the charges.

It's also a little like heads I win tails you lose.

Register that shotgun! What have you to hide?

Illegal, A violation of my Rights under the Constitution

Take this random drug test! What have you to hide?

Illegal, NO probable cause.

Blow into this Breathalizer! If you don't, you're admitting guilt! What other reason could you possibly have for not doing so?

Probable cause?

Produce all those documents! What have you to hide?

It is a LEGAL requirement!!!

That's the simplistic, non-thought out version of the ramifications. Think a little harder

No it is not. IF he broke the law he should be held accountable. The Constitution is MORE important than he is.

Two, I believe that there IS probable cause to further investigate this matter. Three, if I and My son and everyone else has to provide this documentation then so does he. Tell me, you trust the Congress? So what if he gave them something, what makes them so honest?

HE is NOT anything more than an employee. He is not above any law. Polititions think that they are and often get away with crimes while in office. That IS our fault.

IF, and I say IF, he is NOT a legal citizen and that can be proven the list of crimes is long. The election would be void and we would NOT have Obama as President. I am NOT even sure if Biden would be the VP or take over since the entire election would be fraudulent.

SO, DO I take it that you don't feel that those running for office that require handling secure documents should have to meet the same requirements as those who produce them?

I hold him to the same standard that I was held too. I too was "just a public" employee and submitted eveything that I was asked to AND passed multiple poly-graphs AND mutliple criminal back round checks by the FBI, DIA and a couple of others. I wonder if Barry could pass all of that? Not likely. His past would most likely stop him.

These polititions are arrogant scum. THEY DO HAVE TO ANSWER TO US!!! Or, don't you feel that they have too?

 

[Turtle]

It is a LEGAL requirement!!!

What, is a legal requirement?

Also, please don't add your own prose into my quoted text to make it look like I said it in the first place. If you're going to place your own comments within quoted text, you'd better set it apart with a different color or text size or something.

That's the simplistic, non-thought out version of the ramifications. Think a little harder

No it is not. IF he broke the law he should be held accountable. The Constitution is MORE important than he is. [/quote]
Do you know what the word "ramification" means? Being held accountable and the Constitution being more important than he is are hardly ramifications.

Two, I believe that there IS probable cause to further investigate this matter.

Based on what? The fact that it's being repeated enough times on Blogs to the point where you start to believe it?

Three, if I and My son and everyone else has to provide this documentation then so does he.

He did.

Tell me, you trust the Congress? So what if he gave them something, what makes them so honest?

Honest? No. But the checks and balances of partisanship make it highly unlikely that that many people would agree to enter into such a large conspiracy.

HE is NOT anything more than an employee.

Sorry, but he is quite different from a regular employee. No matter how much you want it to be otherwise, the legal classification, as well as the practical definition, of an elected official and an employee are quite different from each other.

He is not above any law. Polititions think that they are and often get away with crimes while in office. That IS our fault.

Who said he was above the law? I certainly didn't.

IF, and I say IF, he is NOT a legal citizen and that can be proven the list of crimes is long. The election would be void and we would NOT have Obama as President. I am NOT even sure if Biden would be the VP or take over since the entire election would be fraudulent.

There ya go, now you're gettin' the hang of this whole "ramifications" thing. Stick with it, you're doing great!

SO, DO I take it that you don't feel that those running for office that require handling secure documents should have to meet the same requirements as those who produce them?

No. The people who produce them do so under one set of circumstances, and the elected officials who view them do so under a completely different set of cirmustances. The secure intelligence and military documents are produced specifically for the use by the elected civilian officials, who operate under their own security restrictions.

I hold him to the same standard that I was held too.

And you're incorrect in doing so.

I too was "just a public" employee and submitted eveything that I was asked to AND passed multiple poly-graphs AND mutliple criminal back round checks by the FBI, DIA and a couple of others.[/quote}Were you hired, or elected? There's a difference.

I wonder if Barry could pass all of that? Not likely. His past would most likely stop him.

It's irrelevant. I don't recall any mention in the Constituion regarding the requirements for being President anything about polygraphs and background checks by the FBI or anyone else.

These polititions are arrogant scum. THEY DO HAVE TO ANSWER TO US!!! Or, don't you feel that they have too?

Oh, they absolutely have to answer to us, but not in the "because I said so" manner in which you'd like it to happen. You nor anyone else can just walk into an elected official's office and pull a Donald Trump Apprentice episode on 'em. Sorry.

 

[layoutshooter]

What, is a legal requirement?

Also, please don't add your own prose into my quoted text to make it look like I said it in the first place. If you're going to place your own comments within quoted text, you'd better set it apart with a different color or text size or something.



No it is not. IF he broke the law he should be held accountable. The Constitution is MORE important than he is.

Do you know what the word "ramification" means? Being held accountable and the Constitution being more important than he is are hardly ramifications.

Based on what? The fact that it's being repeated enough times on Blogs to the point where you start to believe it?

He did.

Honest? No. But the checks and balances of partisanship make it highly unlikely that that many people would agree to enter into such a large conspiracy.

Sorry, but he is quite different from a regular employee. No matter how much you want it to be otherwise, the legal classification, as well as the practical definition, of an elected official and an employee are quite different from each other.

Who said he was above the law? I certainly didn't.

There ya go, now you're gettin' the hang of this whole "ramifications" thing. Stick with it, you're doing great!

No. The people who produce them do so under one set of circumstances, and the elected officials who view them do so under a completely different set of cirmustances. The secure intelligence and military documents are produced specifically for the use by the elected civilian officials, who operate under their own security restrictions.


And you're incorrect in doing so.

I too was "just a public" employee and submitted eveything that I was asked to AND passed multiple poly-graphs AND mutliple criminal back round checks by the FBI, DIA and a couple of others.[/quote}Were you hired, or elected? There's a difference.

It's irrelevant. I don't recall any mention in the Constituion regarding the requirements for being President anything about polygraphs and background checks by the FBI or anyone else.

Oh, they absolutely have to answer to us, but not in the "because I said so" manner in which you'd like it to happen. You nor anyone else can just walk into an elected official's office and pull a Donald Trump Apprentice episode on 'em. Sorry.

Sorry, I was not trying to claim things you said. It is a legal requirement that you be a LEGAL Natural BORN US Citizen.

And Yes I do know what ramification means. What ramifications to you think will happen IF he is NOT legal to be elected to that office? I SEE NOTHING bad, only good if the Constitution is upheld. It would be a NICE change.

Probable cause bescause his sperm donor was NOT a US citizen, because he likely has a criminal backround.

Do YOU like the idea that he has associated with the likes of William Ayres AND has access to those kinds of documents? You have a VERY strange idea of security if you do. I think that you would think better than that.

 

[greg334]

Actually the ramifications are not as severe as one would think.

The first thing is every bill he signed, every EO and every policy would be up for review by the congress and the supreme court.

The second thing would be we would now have president Biden in office and at that point I will welcome him. He would have to have his cabinet reaffirmed, the lower appointments will be reviewed and changed and if possible we may lose Gietner and others who are screwing us up.

Our foreign policy would be jeopardized, any agreements he made on the country's behalf would be nullified and the promises of sending billions to help Africa will not happen.

There are a couple of other things happening -

the first one is an outcry from the race baiting groups, like Sharpton and Jackson who will scream racism right from the start. Justifying his Keyna birth is an african thing and they will march on washington to bring justiuce to poor old articulate Obama. Biden will try to build a bridge and change the consitituion.

I won't say what the other one is but you can figure it out.

 

[Turtle]

It is a legal requirement that you be a LEGAL Natural BORN US Citizen.

Correct, and while the Supreme Court has never taken up the question of "natural born" as it pertains to the presidency, the Department of Immigration says that if you were born here, or if you were born anywhere to a parent that is a US citizen, then you are, too.

And Yes I do know what ramification means. What ramifications to you think will happen IF he is NOT legal to be elected to that office? I SEE NOTHING bad, only good if the Constitution is upheld. It would be a NICE change.

You see nothing bad? That's where you and many others need to think this whole thing through. If he becomes disqualified for being president, then the Vice President assumes the presidency, right? Not so fast, hold on a second.

Article II of the Constitution states:
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

So, when the President is removed from office, the duties defer to the Vice President. The bold was mine to highlight
that when both the President and Vice President is removed, Congress decides by law how to handle it. They did that with the 25th Amendment which deals with the ambiguity of the above with "Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President."

And they deal with the formal line of succession beyond the Vice President with the Presidential Succession Act of 1947.

So, the President cannot perform his duties for whatever reason, and the Vice President will succeed him.

And therein lies the problem. If Obama's election is voided because he cannot legally hold the office, then there is no President for the Vice President to succeed, as more than a few Constitutional scholars have pointed out. So the line of succession would revert back to whatever it was on Inauguration Day, which would be Speaker of the House of Representatives of the 110th Congress.

How does President Nancy Pelosi sound to you?

Because that's exactly what we'd have if Obama's election were to be nullified. This would all end up inthe Supreme Court, of course, as this scenario has never been tested. But yeah, the ramifications could be huge, both here and abroad.

Probable cause bescause his sperm donor was NOT a US citizen, because he likely has a criminal backround.

Doesn't matter if his father was a US citizen or not. His mother was.

Do YOU like the idea that he has associated with the likes of William Ayres AND has access to those kinds of documents? You have a VERY strange idea of security if you do. I think that you would think better than that.

No, I don't like it, but that's irrelevant, as he was elected, and as such doesn't have to have the same security clearance as those who produce the dicuments. Neither has most presidents, nor the members of Congress who also deal with those documents.

 

[layoutshooter]

Correct, and while the Supreme Court has never taken up the question of "natural born" as it pertains to the presidency, the Department of Immigration says that if you were born here, or if you were born anywhere to a parent that is a US citizen, then you are, too.

You see nothing bad? That's where you and many others need to think this whole thing through. If he becomes disqualified for being president, then the Vice President assumes the presidency, right? Not so fast, hold on a second.

Article II of the Constitution states:
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

So, when the President is removed from office, the duties defer to the Vice President. The bold was mine to highlight
that when both the President and Vice President is removed, Congress decides by law how to handle it. They did that with the 25th Amendment which deals with the ambiguity of the above with "Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President."

And they deal with the formal line of succession beyond the Vice President with the Presidential Succession Act of 1947.

So, the President cannot perform his duties for whatever reason, and the Vice President will succeed him.

And therein lies the problem. If Obama's election is voided because he cannot legally hold the office, then there is no President for the Vice President to succeed, as more than a few Constitutional scholars have pointed out. So the line of succession would revert back to whatever it was on Inauguration Day, which would be Speaker of the House of Representatives of the 110th Congress.

How does President Nancy Pelosi sound to you?

Because that's exactly what we'd have if Obama's election were to be nullified. This would all end up inthe Supreme Court, of course, as this scenario has never been tested. But yeah, the ramifications could be huge, both here and abroad.

Doesn't matter if his father was a US citizen or not. His mother was.

No, I don't like it, but that's irrelevant, as he was elected, and as such doesn't have to have the same security clearance as those who produce the dicuments. Neither has most presidents, nor the members of Congress who also deal with those documents.

There would be SOME termoil etc. As Greg says some of the racists in this country would go nuts. It would be worth all the trouble IF the election resulted in the election of a person that was NOT LEGALLY able to run for the office. The Constitution IS more important.

His sperm donor does matter as does his citizen mother. IF he was born in the US to a citizen mother it is OK. IF NOT, there IS a problem. I, for one, DO NOT trust the Congress to tell me that his birth certificate is ok. I do NOT trust those who have proven themselfs to be dis-honest. NEVER trust a liar.

As to the clearences, it is a deadly shame that they are NOT requiered to get them the correct way. They SHOULD be requiered. It cause DEATHS of good agents during Clintons reign and most likely will again now that we have a President that does NOT believe in this country. A man that associates with a traitor IS one in my book. You are who you hang with.

Pelosi sucks, so does Biden. So does most of our elected officials which is why I want to vote every one of the out and take back the control of the government which is rightfully ours. The PEOPLE are susposed to control the government, NOT the Government control the People. We need to put things BACK the way that they are susposed to be. That cannot happen if we allow things like NOT producing birth certificates. The Constitution IS the law of the land. WE MUST insure that it is followeded. The garbage we have now will NEVER end if we continue to allow it. WE MUST demand a higher standard.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

It is only your mistrust in Congress and politicians in general...you are gripping about...an Elected Congress has established he IS in fact legal...your own personal judgements are getting in the way....you can hold your breathe till you are blue in the face....it won't change nada...

Maybe everyone born an American should be tatooed at birth...Made in the USA....

 

[layoutshooter]

It is only your mistrust in Congress and politicians in general...you are gripping about...an Elected Congress has established he IS in fact legal...your own personal judgements are getting in the way....you can hold your breathe till you are blue in the face....it won't change nada...

You are CORRECT. I DO NOT trust a pack of liars. Why should I? After all that is going on how can I be assured that ANY part of this last election WAS legal? Are we seeing large scale investigations into voter fraud? There IS enough evidence to give probable cause for an investigation into voter registration "irregularities", polling place intimidation and so on.

Our FREE SECRET ballot system is at the very heart of our Republic and MUST be protected. Neither party is free of sin in that reguard. Crooks are crooks and cannot be trusted.

You are also correct that my ranting will change nothing. Not as long as we remain a Nation of "Pansies" afraid to stand up to what is going on. Afraid to DEMAND our Rights. Afraid to insure that our Constitution is followed. IT IS OUR DUTY to force the Government to follow the law. WE, as a people, are NOT doing our DUTY. Far too many are willing to accept this garbage in return for a handfull of empty promises and the HOPE that the OTHER GUY will pay for it all. Far too many are willing to go along because this or that law only affects the "OTHER GUY" The ONLY way to insure that YOUR freedoms and RIGHTS are protected are TO PROTECT the 'OTHER GUY" and HIS rights and freedoms.

This Government and every government that exsists today or has ever exsisted can govern ONLY if the People allow them to. The problem is that MOST people don't care as long as THEY are not messed with. Those "Sheeple" are ripe for shearing.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Joe..I did not use the word "rant" I avoided using it...*LOL*

You know as I know even if OBama produced any birth record you would prolly call it a counterfeit/phoney...knowing he has the ability to get a phoney one made up....so this is an open ended issue....yes?

 

[layoutshooter]

Joe..I did not use the word "rant" I avoided using it...*LOL*

You know as I know even if OBama produced any birth record you would prolly call it a counterfeit/phoney...knowing he has the ability to get a phoney one made up....so this is an open ended issue....yes?

I can slove that one. I will go to his state of birth, AT GOVERNMENT expense and get a copy of it myself. We will NOT announce that I am going to avoid any shinanigans.

I know you did NOT use the word rant. I did, I like ranting. Ranting and raving is FAR better at this point in time than "other actions". The time for "other actions" as not yet come so ranting is my first choice to reamain sane!!!

 

[greg334]

Actually minds far greater than ours have looked into this and it has been determined that something must be right to take a legal risk in congress by allowing a non-citizen to become president - in other words I can not believe that they would let this pass with the republicans in congress.

Also just a little FYI, it does not matter if either parent are citizens, the Constitution is clear - All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

There have been in the supreme court to address the issue of the parents not being citizens and the only way to change this is to add to the 14th amendment defining the parents role.

 

[layoutshooter]

Actually minds far greater than ours have looked into this and it has been determined that something must be right to take a legal risk in congress by allowing a non-citizen to become president - in other words I can not believe that they would let this pass with the republicans in congress.

Also just a little FYI, it does not matter if either parent are citizens, the Constitution is clear - All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

There have been in the supreme court to address the issue of the parents not being citizens and the only way to change this is to add to the 14th amendment defining the parents role.

The ONLY reason that his sperm donor matters is that IF he was born OUTSIDE of the US he is NOT a US citizen. Even IF his mother IS one. She was NOT on official Government business, as my wife and I were when my son was born in England, and therefor NOT a native born citizen. Even though my son WAS born while we were deployed to a US field site he STILL has to file the appropriate papers to registar his LEGAL foreign birth. I don't know that he ever has but he is NEVER going to run for President. If my son has to file those papers and PROVE his citizenship, SO DOES OBAMA!! That putz is NOT above the law.

 

[Turtle]

I, for one, DO NOT trust the Congress to tell me that his birth certificate is ok.

Oh, excellent. Now we get down to it. OK, who, exactly, would you trust to tell you that Obama's birth certificate is OK?

As to the clearences, it is a deadly shame that they are NOT requiered to get them the correct way.

The militay and intelligence community are there for the express purpose of aiding the civilian leadership. The military has a mindset, the intelligence comunity has a mindset, and the civilian leadership has a mindset. It is critical that we keep those separate to check and balance each other.

They SHOULD be requiered. It cause DEATHS of good agents during Clintons reign...

What happened during the Clinton reign was nothing compared to what happened during the Allen Dulles reign.

...and most likely will again now that we have a President that does NOT believe in this country.

I've heard him state just the opposite. How do you know he does not believe in this country?

A man that associates with a traitor IS one in my book. You are who you hang with.

On, well, then I'm screwed. I'm outnumbered, outgunned, and completely surrounded by FECC straights at the Bordentown Petro.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

On, well, then I'm screwed. I'm outnumbered, outgunned, and completely surrounded by FECC straights at the Bordentown Petro.

oh man I feel your pain....

 

[Scuba]

Did you demand that document from any other President? Did he show it?

The libs demanded to see McCain's because he wasn't born in the USA he produced it. If barry has nothing to hide why spend so much money hiding it?? This would end if he just produced it period.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

The libs demanded to see McCain's because he wasn't born in the USA he produced it. If barry has nothing to hide why spend so much money hiding it?? This would end if he just produced it period.

whom did he produce it to?