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cheri1122

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Whichever side of the argument you're on, most of us can agree that avoiding unplanned/unwanted pregnancy would be the best thing, so here's some interesting food for thought [if you're capable of that]:

Tackling Teen Pregnancy: What Works, What Doesn't - The Daily Beast

Interesting, how 'red states' have higher rates for teen pregnancies, and how as soon as Bush made 'abstinence only' sex education a condition for federal funding, teen pregnancy rates went up. When you read the caption on one of those unborn photos in the OP's link, it says "Hope her mother will let her live" but if her mother is a teenager who doesn't even know where babies come from, love isn't going to make up for the lack of knowledge, [her parents didn't teach her, and the schools weren't allowed to] or the lack of money and resources - it's going to be rough. Extremely rough, for mothers and babies, but who worries about them?
The US is letting the conservative religious dogma doom a whole lot of people to a life of ignorance induced poverty and misery, and how they can feel any kind of pride in that is just beyond me.
 

Dreamer

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Whichever side of the argument you're on, most of us can agree that avoiding unplanned/unwanted pregnancy would be the best thing, so here's some interesting food for thought [if you're capable of that]:

Tackling Teen Pregnancy: What Works, What Doesn't - The Daily Beast

Interesting, how 'red states' have higher rates for teen pregnancies, and how as soon as Bush made 'abstinence only' sex education a condition for federal funding, teen pregnancy rates went up. When you read the caption on one of those unborn photos in the OP's link, it says "Hope her mother will let her live" but if her mother is a teenager who doesn't even know where babies come from, love isn't going to make up for the lack of knowledge, [her parents didn't teach her, and the schools weren't allowed to] or the lack of money and resources - it's going to be rough. Extremely rough, for mothers and babies, but who worries about them?
The US is letting the conservative religious dogma doom a whole lot of people to a life of ignorance induced poverty and misery, and how they can feel any kind of pride in that is just beyond me.

Poor people have a chance at making something of themselves.. dead people don't.



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moose

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like it or not, here it come:
 

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layoutshooter

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The fact you bought the bridge to start with speaks volumes.

Sent from my Fisher Price ABC-123.

Yeah, he was thinking ahead. Now he can put tolls on the bridge and use the money to help offset that skyrocketing cost of insurance under Obama Care! Pretty smart! :p
 

cheri1122

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Poor people have a chance at making something of themselves.. dead people don't.



You know what? That's true, but not anywhere near as much as it was a few decades ago. Now, poor people can work hard and never make enough money to get off welfare.
The best way to eliminate abortion is to eliminate unwanted pregnancies. Education is a good starting point, for teens and adults [did you know that abortion is just 3% of Planned Parenthood's services? Think of all the rest of their women's services that got defunded, and that only hurts poor people, cause the rest can afford the gynecologist]
Yes, poor people have a chance at making something of themselves, but that chance is so far reduced if they are born to a poor teenage mother that it's practically nil. [The fathers don't seem to stick around.]
We need to deal with what IS, not what we'd like it to be. And what IS right now is too little resources [education and decent jobs] for the population we already have - adding more unwanted babies is just insane. Parents aren't teaching thier offspring about birth control, and the conservative right doesn't want the schools to, either, how stupid can we be?
It'd be nice to live in a world where every baby has loving and stable and solvent parents [2 of them!] but we're nowhere near that point.
 

layoutshooter

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"Now, poor people can work hard and never make enough money to get off welfare."

That is correct and it is primarily due to the Marxist idea of a "progressive income tax" which is designed to do EXACTLY that. Keep people dependent and in their place. The second biggest reason is that most people, including me, WASTE TOO MUCH MONEY ON THINGS! The third biggest reason is an unwillingness on the part of many to upgrades skills and/or move to where there is better work available.

Like it or not, abortion, birth control etc, will not solve any of the above.

The inability to get ahead takes place LONG after a person is born.

Poverty in no way equals ignorance. It in no way equals dirty. Poverty does not even mean that a person cannot have a happy life. Neither does being rich.
 

LDB

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Would there be more jobs if there weren't 40 or more million illegal aliens and amnestied aliens do you think?
 

LDB

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I didn't buy the bridge. I'm just offering it for sale since there are some around here that appear to be bridge buyers.
 

cheri1122

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Your opinions of the primary cause of continuing poverty [or failure to advance to middle class status] is not shared by many who study such trends and document the actual factors involved.
"Too many things"!!!
Genius, pure genius.
 

cheri1122

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Would there be more jobs if there weren't 40 or more million illegal aliens and amnestied aliens do you think?

Well, of course there would. They probably wouldn't be any better paying jobs, but there'd be more of them. I don't see that as a solution, even if we could convince our legislators that undocumented 'visitors' should be sent home, to try it legally. Which we can't, because there's too much money pushing them the other way. The people and corporations with money to make a difference in campaigns want cheap labor, and they get what they want.
 

layoutshooter

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Your opinions of the primary cause of continuing poverty [or failure to advance to middle class status] is not shared by many who study such trends and document the actual factors involved.
"Too many things"!!!
Genius, pure genius.

My opinions?

MY opinion is that, if left alone, and not held back by government, most people will improve and many will excel. It is the very idea that the government should help that is holding people back. The more you do for people, the less they do for themselves.

In life, the greater the challenge presented, the greater the effort put forth, the greater the opportunity for success.

And yes, most people spend too much on things that are not NEEDED and far too little on what is.

The use of force to provide that help is wrong. That is the ONLY way government can do what it wants. The IRS is an armed agency. So is Social Security. So is the Department of Education.

My opinion is that freedom ALWAYS works better than the use of force.

IF you want something do it without an armed agency of the government. IF it takes force, it must not be good.
 

LDB

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So we don't even try and we just keep trying the same old things that have worked so well ever since the great society initiated them. Great plan. I'm sure we'll get different results any day now. I'll continue "encouraging" my semi-worthless critters to do something about the criminals anyway.
 

cheri1122

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You're welcome to your opinions, but there is nothing in the way of data or facts to support them, [the ones that aren't just meaningless sayings, like "freedom ALWAYS works better than force"] which means they're as useful as the Easter Bunny in deciding how the issues can be resolved - or even improved.
Trite sayings don't pay people's bills, or improve anyone's life. Jobs do that. Jobs that pay enough to pay the bills and the education that will improve their lives..
We don't have enough of those to go around, and that's the bottom line.
 
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