Authority Issues, I know I have them

[DougTravels]

I have problems with authority. This is one of the reasons I am in this kind of work. I haven't worked for anyone since 1992. My Carrier might think I work for them, I say they work for me. I have a truck and I hired them to find freight and supply the dot authority. The truth is somewhere in the middle as we work together and either can cancel our contract.

I find this site entertaining and helpful. More of the 1st than the 2nd. I've read the Code of conduct and some parts really make me laugh. 10. Private communications
Private communication between the moderators, administrators and other forum members is not to be made public
on these forums or by any other venue. You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence received
from any of the aforementioned.

There is a mouthful, telling others the jist of a pm from a mod or an admin is not allowed here. Oh wait it is not allowed anywhere! Boy I hope I get one soon, I believe anything sent to you becomes your property to do with as you please.

11. Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.
Such matters shall remain private between the moderators, administrators and the member. Questions or comments
concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging (PM). Likewise, discussions
regarding moderator or administrator actions are not permitted on the forum

Wowser: Loose lips Sink Ships?
Be sure not to talk about Rulie Jay and what was said there. I am not discussing any bans for I might too be banned. If I were to discuss a banned person maybe my thread would be closed and I would get a secret message that I could not tell anyone about.

12. Privilege vs. Right in the ExpeditersOnline.com Open Forum Community.
By becoming a member of the ExpeditersOnline.com Open Forum Community, you agree to adhere to this Code of
Conduct and The Terms of Use Agreement (TOUA). It is a privilege to be a member of this community - not a right.
We reserve the right to remove anyone from our site, at any time, for any reason

This one is another great line. Any time for any reason, they make it very clear this is THEIR SITE and do not forget it.

It makes me wonder why are we all here, wouldn't a place for free speech be nice. Even if someone is offended or hurt and some may even step over the line of good taste. I would pay that price for free unedited views or rants.

Lets hope all of our posts are deemed fit for all to view by the powers that be.

 

[LDB]

Recognizing and acknowledging an issue is the first step in dealing with it regardless of what the issue is. The one you mention probably doesn't serve you well or produce positive results for you so hopefully you are able to control it.

 

[DougTravels]

Recognizing and acknowledging an issue is the first step in dealing with it regardless of what the issue is. The one you mention probably doesn't serve you well or produce positive results for you so hopefully you are able to control it.

Thank You Mr. Moderator. I've recognized the issue (censorship) I've acknowledged it (Yes, There's definitely censorship). I am dealing with it (This thread).

I'm glad you are wise enough to know what serves me well. How can you be sure that this may not produce positive results though? It may in fact produce a forum with (God Help Us All) NO CENSORSHIP. By the way I usually control my self quite well.

 

[LDB]

This forum is one of the best run forums in existence and has minimal restrictions. I belong to some others on photography and computing that are extremely regimented compared to this one. There are two areas available, the public forum and private messages. By their nature and titles members presume use of the public area results in public posts anyone can read and use of private messages maintains their right to privacy and their expectation of privacy. Nobody is forced to be a member here and if they don't appreciate sensible rules put in place to protect both them and others they are not required to remain a member.

I do not know you. I do not know what serves you well and what doesn't. That is why I qualified my statement with probably. They say every rule has an exception. You may be the exception. In general, people with "authority issues" are ill served by said issues. If they somehow work well for you then great. For the remaining 99.97% of the population they are a negative influence producing negative results.

 

[dhalltoyo]

Nope.

Not censorship.

You agree to abide by the Code of Conduct before posting.

If you don't agree with, or choose not to abide by the Code of Conduct, that's fine....just don't post....or move onto another forum.

 

[Jefferson3000]

Nope.

Not censorship.

You agree to abide by the Code of Conduct before posting.

If you don't agree with, or choose not to abide by the Code of Conduct, that's fine....just don't post....or move onto another forum.

True true true. Oh wait, I'm not a mod. And yes, it sounds like you do have issues with authority. Not so unusual, as lots of folks in this great nation do, some for very legitimate reasons. I used to have big issues challenging authority. Then I realized that I was running from the very things that could actually build character in me, I could buck my parents, the pastor, my teachers, and even my wife. I knew eventually I would learn to submit at the discretion of a judge and jury.

Talk about independent. I took it one step further than being an O/O. I became a carrier. Now I am finding all kinds of authority to which I must play by the rules: FMCSA, DOT, IRS, and TSA, not to mention my customers, be it brokers, forwarders or shippers.

I feel this is definitely an interesting issue to be brought up, but I must agree with Dhall: If you can't agree to the rule, then don't post, and don't complain. It's not your forum anyways, and despite the socialistic trend this nation seems to be headed in, you are not entitled to playtime in everyone's playground.

If you feel you can do better, then go start your own trucking forum.

 

[Turtle]

Well, it is censorship, pure and simple. I'm a free speech kinda guy, but I'm also keenly aware that when it comes to a Web site, the site is the owner's to do with as they please, and if that includes censorship, so be it. They key to getting the most out of any community, be it online or IRL, is to accept it for what it already is, and not try to make it what you wish it to be (same applies to how you deal with your carrier, actually). Fortunately the reins of censorship here are rather loose - you've got to pretty blatantly break a rule before you get censored.

If ya want free and unedited anything goes conversations, then you're looking for Usenet. Many of the Big 8 groups are moderated and have some restrictions, but for the most part free speech rules the day. Over in the alt.* groups it's anything goes. Each group has a specific topic, and especially in the Big 8 you don't go off topic even a little bit, but there are groups for every imaginable topic, and a bunch you can't imagine, or believe.

I do have to address this one, though...
"There is a mouthful, telling others the jist of a pm from a mod or an admin is not allowed here. Oh wait it is not allowed anywhere! Boy I hope I get one soon, I believe anything sent to you becomes your property to do with as you please."

Well, yeah, anything sent you to becomes yours to do with as you please. That doesn't mean you can do as you please and be free of consequences, though.

In any case, you don't publish the contents of private communications. Man, that's just scummy. Icky, even.

 

[JohnMueller]

DougTravels;

I found your post very entertaining and somewhat helpful - more of the first than the latter.

Freedom of speech is granted to you by our constitution. Please feel free to exercise that right as you see fit, but not on someone else's property. This website is not public property. Like any club or organization you choose to belong or subscribe to, you must abide by the rules laid out by that club or organization. Pretty funny that a new member joins a club, and then begins to administer their own rules. Does not work that way.

There are others, like your self, that would be happy (a positive?) to join you in establishing "Negative Attitude Truckers.com". You could freely post all the negatives you wish on your site. Heaven forbid that anyone promote the industry in a positive manner by assisting others on your site - it could be a violation of the rules that you set for your site.
Oh, I forgot, the freedom of speech issue. Don't be a "Negative Nancy".

Thanks,
HotFr8Recruiter
aka "Positive Pete"

 

[Moot]

This one is another great line. Any time for any reason, they make it very clear this is THEIR SITE and do not forget it.

That's because it is their site and not yours. You are a guest and expected to obey the house rules. Really quite simple. The rules are even posted at the door.

A private message is just that; private communication between two parties.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

If you feel you can do better, then go start your own trucking forum.

There is an expediting site that allows what you want. Of course, maybe 4 or 5 ppl post on it... mainly because there's no structure.

I'm a member of a Seahawks site that I consider very liberal in what could be said. The other day they announced there would be no political talk, anywhere on site, until after the election. I was seriously disappointed. Not because I wanted to engage in political talk; but because I couldn't if I wanted to. I pondered not posting anything till after the ban was lifted; but I chose to abide, as it was their site.

Lawrence gives us, I believe, just the right amount of freedom to not make it too restrictive, yet keeping it from being chaotic. Our political forum is awful close to being uncensored. You can speak ill of your experience with companies, as long as you keep it clean, civil, and it's not your first post.

Above all this is an educational forum. And my experience with forums that allow name calling and f-bombs being tossed does not provide a good arena in which to learn. And frankly, not many ppl will show up. Take it for what it's worth, but I don't believe you really want what you are saying you want.

 

[DougTravels]

Well I guess I am in the minority here. Yes I do agree to abide by the rules. That doesn't mean I agree with the rules. In my thread starter I simply stated that It seems funny to me that if a Moderator Pm's you about anything it is against the rules to disclose the nature of the PM. What are their fears? You cannot talk about a Moderator's decision to Ban Someone or why they chose to close a thread, again what is their fear?
It seems to me that if you were to ban someone the site would be better served to say this person was banned and this is why.
It also is very clear here, who pays for this site with their advertising and that is the carriers.

 

[LDB]

I simply stated that It seems funny to me that if a Moderator Pm's you about anything it is against the rules to disclose the nature of the PM.

Perhaps there is some confusion. The rule of not disclosing PM content applies to any PM from any member, not just moderators.

 

[Jefferson3000]

Maybe we should do menberships then and let the users pay for their right to say what they want.

$100 per month Bronze membership: Allows moderated posting
$250 per month Silver membership: Moderated posting plus 5 inflammatory personal remarks,
$500 per month: Gold membership: Unlimited inflammatory remark, but no profanity,
$1000 per month Platinum membership gets you unlimited inflammatory remarks, unlimited profanity, and your own personal moderator to explain in detail every moderating choice made on those of lesser memberships.

How's that! Oh wait, suddenly the speech ain't free anymore!

 

[Turtle]

Talking about the contents of private messages from moderators is usually unproductive. Discussions of that nature never accomplish anything, other than to get someone mad, either because they're the subject, or because they disagree with all of it. In the end it doesn't matter, nothing changes, and everyone's time gets wasted. That's the fear, and it's based on experience.

I do agree that when someone gets banned that it's a good idea to let others know why, more than just the generic "Banned for Code of Conduct Violation."At the very least it would be nice to know which one was violated, and how, so that I don't make the same mistake.

 

[Moot]

In my thread starter I simply stated that It seems funny to me that if a Moderator Pm's you about anything it is against the rules to disclose the nature of the PM.

That's because a P.M. is a PRIVATE MESSAGE!

I agree with Hawk that Lawrence, Dreamer and all of the mods give us plenty of latitude. I can recall only one of my posts being pulled. RichM explained that my reply was in poor taste (in a round about way I told someone to get a gun, ammunition and end it all, but suggested they pull away from the fuel island first). If I have a problem with that I can always leave.

 

[GUNSLINGER]

EO Works For Me!

 

[Lawrence]

Wow...I really can't add anything to this. Jeez Whiz...everyone else did!

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[layoutshooter]

No, Cheese Whiz is better. Keep up the good work Layoutshooter

 

[Dreamer]

I'll ad my Thanks too guys! When I first read the original post, I had a pretty good response working.. but forget it..

You guys get it! We don't have to agree, that's not the point... as long as we mind a few boundaries!


Thanks,

Dale

 

[DougTravels]

Watch that cash advance!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by wallytrucker1
Are you suggesting that when I leave my truck ON the fuel island, have dinner, then shower, then rewrap my turbine and then stop on the way out to talk camels to some of my buds that I am discourteous to my fellow drivers? You Americans ars so uptight.

P.S. Shower is only bi-weekly..

Abdar? Is that you? It's me... Kerphal... your neighbor from down the stleet! We must get together for a coos-coos taco!
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I must not have pasted this very well the reply beg. with Abdar was posted by TenneesseeHawk. It's in the thread about watch out for cash advances. General catagory.
Did moderators miss these? Ohh wait Tenneessee Hawk is a moderator. I guess blatant racist comments are welcomed here and they are even encouraged by at least one moderator, Just wondering please note I am not breaking the rules on banned remarks just openly wondering on a lack of banning in this case. (Didn't see a clause in the rules of discussing a lack of banning)Just my opinion but an "F" bomb is far less offensive than these two ignorant racist statments. Are Middle Eastern Expediters welcome here? if not these remarks will help keep all the Turbine wearing people out (Love it when someone shows their true colors and spelling woes all at once). On the other hand if they are welcome here and see remarks like this not only unreprimanded but encouraged by moderators, I'm not sure they will feel welcome.

Keep up the good work Moderators!