Attention Minnesota Expediters

[x06col]

This thread of yours raises some interesting questions for me Phil. Unless the State of MN is making these Federal Grant Funds availible to all O/Os registered in the state, how will they qualify one owner over another in all fairness?

Does an O/O such as yourself that has no truck payment, mortgage, car payments, utilities, minor children at home to raise, etc, (anotherwards lives debt free as you so proudly claim to be) qualify over an owner with all of the above mentioned debt? Will Debt/Income ratios play an important part in determining who qualifies and who does not? Or is the program in MN "first come first serve" until the grant money runs out? Will it be fair for the State of MN to dish out this grant money to those such as yourself that are debt free verses an O/O that may be forced to shut down if not provided these much needed funds to be able to bring their truck/reefer up to compliance to stay in business?

Anyway, I can't say that I don't blame you for trying. If you don't somebody else will! Oops, I forgot you blocked my post so you can't see this! What ashamed, I think your answers would have been interesting and informative for all to read on this forum.

I for one tink it should make no difference if they are considering some fool that overextended himself by buying high dollah leather seats or pristine equipment (that can't/won't don't wanna) take some freight because of paw scratches or tape residue. OR, some fella that APPLIED for the grant. If he went to the bother an you didn't, I certainly hope we don't see whinen'in later. Tis amazing when someone screws themselves out of a place at the dinner table, finds the house too small, then needs wayyy too much income cause they don't know how to tell the kids OR themselves NO. An blame everyone else. Amazing!!

 

[Jack_Berry]

the latest landline had an ad stating ooida still has grant money available ofr apu's. grant pays up to 40%.

 

[Streakn1]

I for one tink it should make no difference if they are considering some fool that overextended himself by buying high dollah leather seats or pristine equipment (that can't/won't don't wanna) take some freight because of paw scratches or tape residue. OR, some fella that APPLIED for the grant. If he went to the bother an you didn't, I certainly hope we don't see whinen'in later. Tis amazing when someone screws themselves out of a place at the dinner table, finds the house too small, then needs wayyy too much income cause they don't know how to tell the kids OR themselves NO. An blame everyone else. Amazing!!

I assume most of your words are directed personally towards me xo6col. You find it easy calling someone a fool and claiming that he over extended himself when you don't even have a clue of what his (my) financial status is. Which is none of your business. Unlike Phil, I dont make my financial statis public information!

You have a problem because I choose not to let a search dog distroy my expensive seats? None of your concern! So you obviously don't care about trying to keep your investment nice. By the way, let me explain it once more to you so that maybe you will understand it this time. The dog DOES NOT have to be put inside your vehicle to do its job!!!

When my state make the program availible, then I will make the determination whether I need government aid to fix my truck. I'm sure there are more out there that will need it worse than I. Anyway, isnt that what grant monies are for, the needy and not the greedy? No whining here! Just bringing up a good point!

You Sir once again have shown your inability to read and comprehend what you have just read by posting your little rant directed towards me. You completely missed the point!

 

[Streakn1]

Tis amazing when someone screws themselves out of a place at the dinner table, finds the house too small, then needs wayyy too much income cause they don't know how to tell the kids OR themselves NO. An blame everyone else. Amazing!!

If this quote is directed towards me xo6col, do you care to explain cause it does'nt apply here!

 

[davekc]

Ummm????

Well, it certainly looks like some thoughts to ponder after reading all this.

 

[x06col]

If this quote is directed towards me xo6col, do you care to explain cause it does'nt apply here!

Well, I guess if'n the shoe fits, then wear it. If it don't, why mention it.

Yer right dave, some tings to ponder.

BTW, do them folks make them leeaathher seats fer a garden tractor? I need a softer setting situation these gardening days.

 

[ATeam]

Update:

1. The reefer engine replacement is straightforward. Remove the old one, install the new CARB-complaint one. Bids are coming in $7,000+ including labor and tax.

2. The DPF retrofit for our Volvo engine was a shocker. This is a new component recently developed by Volvo for Volvo engines. Bids for the retrofit are coming in over $35,000, with most of the money being for the DPF itself. Also to consider are the increased and ongoing maintenance costs a DPF adds to a truck.

After they were adopted, Diane and I stopped paying close attention to the CARB rules, because our truck is relatively new (2006) and has several years ahead of it under the rules without modification. Any decisions about retrofitting an older truck or buying a new one would be years off; too far ahead to worry about. Products have yet to be fully developed in the marketplace. Trucking industry changes will occur. Freight rates will change. It is impossible to predict what lies that far ahead.

Our thought was to let time pass and consider things when our CARB deadlines drew close. The newly-available grant money changed our focus as described above.

I mention the retrofit costs simply to share the info. It will be of interest to anyone who drives a used truck today and plans to do so for several more years.

If the CARB rules hold and retrofit costs do not come down, and if the CARB rules are adopted by other states as some expect, it is difficult to imagine many operators of older trucks putting that kind of money into them. While many aging trucks would remain perfectly operational, CARB seems intent on forcing them off the road.

I wonder if we will see used truck lots filling up with good-running rigs that can be had for a song and that no one wants to buy?

 

[paid vacationer]

I personally am sick of supposed free money being doled out by any government agency. It's not free and only leads to coruption. I won't be paying taxes any longer. I'll file but I wont pay. It was once said the quickest way to bring down a government is to not pay taxes. If need be I'll run just enough to pay the bills and not a bit more. Punish me for working and I won't work much. I'm sick of hand outs and welfare babies. I refuse to support them. I am not alone. And for those who would say "you'll be alone in jail for not paying taxes", I say... it cost 35k to 45k to house a prisoner these days and China won't be lending much longer. There are some really sad, really harsh things ahead for this country thanks to our out of control government. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. It's here, all we gotta do now is change the sign.

 

[davekc]

When Federal money is used for free in one state, it will soon follow in the others.

 

[greg334]

Well I think there should be a income limit, the guy running the $250k plus trucks on the road can afford the retrofitting but the guys who get the $50k trucks can't?

 

[dabluzman1]

Pity, pity , pity, that some get so petty, petty petty.
Too bad if it is the case if those who are on the way to the repo lot with their truck, wont possibly get a Gov. handout.
Why send good money after bad.
Now if someone in a 50,000 truck was running at least at break even, then give him the same consideration as a 280,000 truck.
Should kids play into this equation, nope, wifes ailments, nope, or any sob story, nope.
Should fiscal responsibility be in the equation, yes, profitability, yes, success in business, yes.
Those that are running wisely and profitably should get the help, they earned it. WHY spend money on someone going down.
May sound cold and cruel, but if you cant make your expediting biz a success without a CARB compliant APU, getting help to update it, wont make you anymore successful.
Cull the herd. Keep the strong.

 

[ATeam]

I chatted yesterday with my reefer dealer about the possible marketplace impact of the CARB rules on used trucks in the future. He said the impact is being felt now in the reefer market because the CARB rules are hitting older reefers now. Off-road use rules apply to reefers. On-road rules apply to trucks and will be enforced at later dates.

His customers who continue to run big-rig reefer loads in and out of California (some have left the business instead) are buying more-expensive CARB-compliant reefers and receiving just $1,000 trade-in for perfectly operational old reefers that they would not replace at all, but for the CARB rules. His lot is filling up with functional but CARB-killed used equipment that no one wants to buy.

With freight rates as depressed as they are, the only way for people to continue to run these big-rig reefer
loads (mostly produce) is to absorb the extra costs themselves. They cannot pass the costs on to shippers now, as doing so would price themselves out of the market.

That may work for a while, but I don't see how it can last. If the decline in value of used equipment and the significantly higher expenses of new equipment do not find their way into the freight rates, the money simply won't be there to make it worth it for companies to be in the reefer business.

Note that a number of states are showing an eagerness to adopt the California rules as their own.

As with reefers today, so too with trucks tomorrow?

OOIDA report on the CARB rules

 

[greg334]

Well it seems that again someone in the elite of the fleet seem to harbor this need to tell the world that they feel they deserve things because they are great business people. Again they downplay others hard work in sustaining their business in hard times. Like our great editor who has me on his ignore list, we have another passing judgment on who is successful and who is not and what they deserve.

 

[Streakn1]

His lot is filling up with functional but CARB-killed used equipment that no one wants to buy.

No worries here! I'll just pay off my truck loan and become debt free. Then I will retire the truck and myself. Then I'll put a 14' box and lift-gate on it to get the Harley, canoe, and Bar B Que grill in the back and make it my "recreational vehicle" complete with toy box.

If need be I'll stay the hell out of the CARB states. Plenty of places to go camping elsewhere! LOL

 

[greg334]

Streakn,

Can he hear you? Ah I mean read your posts or are you still banned from Phil World?

 

[ATeam]

This gets better and better. I just learned that even though we own a perfectly-good and perfectly-legal reefer engine, the federal government requires that the engine be DESTROYED if it is replaced with a newer, CARB-compliant reefer engine.

There are hundreds if not thousands of local delivery reefer trucks serving our area (Twin Cities, Minnesota and Northwest Wisconsin), some of which are running the same reefer we are. Companies that run those fleets could put a well-maintained, low-hours, three-year-old reefer engine to good use.

But that won't happen because no legitimate Carrier dealer in the U.S. will install the new engine without drilling holes through the old engine, as required by the EPA. The fact that we actually own the engine makes no difference. By law, we are required to destroy it if we replace it with another.

At least until the new CARB-compliant engines start getting replaced, rebuilt reefer engines are a thing of the past. I asked above if used trucks will go the way of used reefers? I now also wonder if used truck engines will also be given an early death sentence? If so, you can kiss the resale value of any older truck goodbye.

 

[greg334]

By law, we are required to destroy it if we replace it with another.

That's a new one.... maybe if you use tax payers money....

 

[davekc]

That's a new one.... maybe if you use tax payers money....

How would they know it was detroyed? Kinda like Phil saying he has you blocked, but we all know he is really reading when he isn't logged on.

 

[greg334]

How would they know it was detroyed? Kinda like Phil saying he has you blocked, but we all know he is really reading when he isn't logged on.

Well that's a good point. How do they know and under what conditions does someone have to destroy their engine. Is it when there is a replacement? If I paid for a CARB update out of my own pocket, where is the compensation for the used engine? The dealer is required to return my property, not destroy it, right?

He threw this comment out, where is this coming from? Yea that's right, he can't read my question.

Maybe he uses another account to read my posts.

 

[davekc]

Posts can still be read without logging on.