Are you prepared?

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Put yourself in this truck driver’s place. If something like this happens to you, are you prepared? This is a true story. We found ourselves in the middle of it today, as witnesses.

Rural Kentucky. I-71. Light traffic. 10:30 AM. Dry roads. Moderate cross winds. Mostly cloudy skies. Road condition good.

You are under load, proceeding at the speed limit, 65 MPH, in the right lane. Without warning, a full-grown deer, runs full speed up out of the median, across the left lane and in front of the car that is in front of you. The car has a single occupant, the driver, a male about age 30. He stomps on his brakes, but too late to avoid hitting the deer. You stomp on your brakes, but too late to avoid hitting the car.

All in the same instant, the deer is thrown into the air and lands on the left shoulder. The rear end of the car is crushed by your truck bumper such that everything behind the rear window is pushed into the back seat. The car goes into a high-speed spin and into a deep ditch on the right, coming to rest straddling the ditch. You, uninjured, bring your truck to a stop on the right shoulder ahead of where the car came to rest.

Before you can even stop and get out of your truck, you see the car driver is in his seat but he is not moving. The deer is convulsing and gasping heavily for breath. Three motorists stop on the right shoulder behind your truck and rush on foot to the car. One remains inside his vehicle and starts taking pictures. Some make cell phone calls. Gawkers slow to look, passing by in both the right and left lane. They gaze at you, others, and the vehicles involved.

You set your truck parking brakes, climb out the driver’s side and walk quickly around the front of your truck to check on the car driver. On your way, you see minor damage to your truck; a hole in your grill and the bumper bent in close to your front right tire. You are emotionally shaken and your heart is racing. This is not something you have been through before.

As you walk quickly toward the car driver and witnesses, what thoughts would be racing through your mind? What would you do next?

If you were that truck driver, would you be prepared?

If your answer is yes, how do you know?
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
The car driver had an excuse; the truck driver was following too close to the car. He was not prepared.
 

blucolr

Expert Expediter
Terry is correct. It's very easy to assume we are in total controll at all times and if something goes wrong it has to be the other guys fault. As this example shows, a very unexpected source ( in this case the deer ) can be the begining of the accident, but by following just a fraction of a second to closly the driver of the truck becomes at fault. You didn't mention the car drivers condition. I hope he is alright.
Mike
 

teacel

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
To add to Terry’s post!

Some drivers learn the rule of thumb, "Follow two car lengths behind for every 10 miles per hour." Others learn, "Stay two seconds behind the car ahead."

Some driver's manuals give data on the distance cars or trucks travel before they are able to come to a complete stop. Often the distance is broken into two components, the reaction distance and the braking distance. The reaction distance is the distance traveled while the driver reacts to a situation and hits the brakes. The braking distance is the distance traveled from the time the brakes are applied until the car or truck comes to a stop.

Here is a chart I mostly follow:
[table border="1" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1"][tr][td]SPEED[/td][td]Reaction Distance[/td][td]Braking Distance[/td][/tr][tr][td]20 MPH[/td][td]20 FEET[/td][TD]20 FEET[/TD][/tr][tr][td]30 MPH[/td][td]30 FEET[/td][TD]45 FEET [/TD][/tr][TR][TD]40 MPH [/TD][TD]40 FEET [/TD][TD]80 FEET[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]50 MPH[/TD][TD]50 FEET[/TD][TD]125 FEET[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]60 MPH[/TD][TD]60 FEET[/TD][TD]180 FEET[/TD][/TR][/table]​

Following this chart gives one plenty of time to think as well as react if one finds ones self in a situation as this poster describes.
 

phatTweaker

Expert Expediter
I just studied on this in CDL school last week. They teach 1 second for every 10 feet of vehicle length under 40 mph and ad a second above 40.
They also said in the real world 15-20 seconds should be the minimum for a T/T. For a straight truck I'd guess 15 seconds would be a good starting point then adjust for weather and traffic conditions.
 

huntn1

Expert Expediter
yeah there is a real problem out on the road nowdays with trucks following to close, and the same guys complain when someones on their bumper.they also complain when a four-wheeler pulls out in front of them that they dont know how far it takes to stop.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
As you walk quickly toward the car driver and witnesses, what thoughts would be racing through your mind? What would you do next

Secure the area to ensure another accident does't happen and attend to the victim that is in the car.

I am with the others, the truck driver is at fault in this case.
I am not sure one is at 100 percent every second but you have to be on top of your game at all times or bad and unsuspecting things can happen.





Davekc
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RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
The problem is ,how many times a day does it happen to all of us, you are just crusing with lots of space between you and the vehicle in front and then someone cuts in ahead of you and slows down.Now that cushion of space is gone,what do you do? It's amazing how often this happens.You slow down to get some room and some other vehicle must come in ahead of you..
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
ATeam
This has me thinking about a lot of things, good post.

But I am wondering what the real question you were asking - reaction to the situation or the truck driver’s ability to control his/her truck or both?

To me there are two events in your example and there is a distinction between the two events here, the actual event (deer being hit, car stopping) and post event activities.

Being one who trained people on quick actions during very stressful situations, I would say most are not prepared for the initial event, including me. It is not hard to learn about post event activities; first aid, traffic control, decompression and communications. But I am not a first responder, just a disaster planner and trainer.

Back in the winter of 2003 on M14 before Beck road I had three things happen at once under icy conditions; there was two cars in front of me and I was in front of a long line of cars with a lot of distance between us, a deer ran across the road and jumped over a VW beetle who was in the lead. The beetle lost control, spun around and slammed into the car behind it and at the same time I hit ice and I lost control spinning several times ending up facing on coming traffic still in a spin. I hit the accelerator and spun back around on to the shoulder (I was lucky, I was aiming for the ditch) and saw that the beetle and other car was in the ditch. I was alright and got out to see how everyone was, which was the case – everyone was lucky. The funny thing was Bambi was standing on the side of the road looking at us with an innocent look. Through out the entire time, I felt alright, no shakes or sweats. I didn’t decompress until I got to work.

Was I prepared, no. I guess it was experience that allowed me to respond – if I thought about it, I would have been hit or worst.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
DaveKC hit the nail square with securing the scene. Get those flares and reflecters set up. There would be responsibility on someones part if another vehicle came along and hit one of the vehicles involved.
 

whitewolf53

Expert Expediter
If i remember correctly from my orientastion
at Conway,there is NO EXCUSE FOR YOU REARENDING ANOTHER CAR.
If it happens YOU ARE FIRED.

Mike

Whitewolf 53
HERE LIZARD LIZARD LIZARD

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terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
ATeam:

As you walk quickly toward the car driver and witnesses, what thoughts would be racing through your mind? What would you do next?

If you were that truck driver, would you be prepared?

If your answer is yes, how do you know?
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
>As you walk quickly toward the car driver and witnesses,
>what thoughts would be racing through your mind? What would
>you do next?

I've been in this very situation. This lady flipped her car over in front of me. I stopped, & went back to her car to see if she was ok. Her car was upside down. My heart was racing big time. I went to open the door & she wasn't in there. My heart was REALLY racing now, thinking she was mangled up in the backseat.

This story has a good ending though. Right after I got there this other guy got there & opened the door on the other side. I had went to the passenger side door, which I guess might be natural cuz I've never had to open the door of an upside down vehicle b4.

Over on the drivers side, she was securely tucked in because she had worn her seatbelt. She was fine physically. A little shaken mentally for sure, but all in all she was fine.

Had she been seriously hurt, I'm not sure what I would have done other than call 911. Unfortunately I don't know CPR, so all I could have done would have been to try & help her get out. Yes, I'm aware I could be in trouble if I was to do something & injure her further. So what I guess I would have done is evaluate the situation & helped out whatever way I felt I could safely do it best for her.

Regards,
Danny
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
This is definately a good rule of thumb. Responding to the chart that was posted. The challenge comes in when you leave some space & then someone pulls in front of you. If ya back off this vehicle, it can be a never ending process of people pulling in front of you.

I try to be courteous & let people merge into my lane when they've indicated they need over. Somehow though, one has to balance leaving space between the vehicle in front of em & not being the one who holds up traffic by going to slow.

In the end ya just try to drive as safely as ya can for the conditions of the road.

Interesting thread here,
Be well,
Danny
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
Hey Phil, sorry to hear about the accident, I wouldn't wish that scenario on anyone. I don't believe anyone is ever prepared for what you experienced all you can do is Secure the scene, assist the injured and document everything. As many miles as we all rack up in a year it is inevitable that we will be faced with an accident at some point. I hope the driver of the car is well and our prayers are with you.
Mike and Cyn.
 

redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
On my way out my door I would have my first aid kit and a blanket in hand.My second thought would be how to secure the accident scene to prevent another event. My next thought would be when am I going to have time to clean out my drawers.

About following too close.I have allways used 3 seconds.I use a timer from time to time to make sure my judgement is still sharp.I increase to 6 secinds in inclement weather. The bad thing is that Billy Big Rig thinks that space was created just for his convience.
Now I`m down to 1 sec untill I can adjust.Meanwhile he is content with his 1/2 sec.(listen to him scream when that 4 wheeler,or deer does something stupid)
 

geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
i was taugh 5 smith steps in drivers ed, had a teacher who had drove truck for many year's, and decide he wanted to teach driver ed and help fix driving problem way back in 67-68 and be a high school foot ball coach and along the way other's like fedex cc and egl use the same step's, i try to do my best out here every day , things happen so fast and so quick, if everybody would slow down a bit make things so much easier out here

also that one person who has to be first and in front of you , races to next light and sit for light to turn green
if he would drive lights he would find out he would get faster inside of burning more gas to be ahead of you and you get there same time he does and you haven't as much gas

in hampton roads area avg light is 3.5 mins at 40 mph in a 45 mph speed zone, on shore drive in norfolk speed is 35 and light's are set for 30 and if you maintain speed you sometimes don't hit any lights
or you hit 'em
 

bcurt

Expert Expediter
Treat it has if you were the first and only one at the site... Stay calm,Take control... Check and secure the area.. Once safe check on other person or persons involved in the accident.. Notify EMS or 911, Give them all the information you can over the phone.. Give first aid as required, depending on type and condition of persons injuries... Prepared ? NO !
 
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