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[Dreamer]

Proven is an adjective only.

"Proven to be" is corrupted mumbo jumbo.

"Proved to be" would be correct usage.

Example: Dale's mastery of the English language proved to be valuable.

Example: Dale's proven mastery of the English language was valuable.

More to the point, "proven" can be used interchangeably with the word "known" ... as in Mercedes is a car of proven quality. Sorry, "proven" is no more a verb than is fast, quick or easy. It's not an important distinction in everyday life, but to declare wrong is right, well, is wrong.

From one gun owner to another, happy shooting.

Well crap.. I looked it up in the grammar checker... and dang it.. you're right.

Dang.

Crow tastes nasty. Need BBQ sauce.


(edit) Now I'm confused.. I knew I was taught this as a past participle in school.. so I looked further.

Apparently it depends on which grammar site you read. One says proven is an adjective... another says IF you use it as an adjective use proven.. .but they are interchangeable.

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Understand that both of these words are noted by some dictionaries as past participles of "prove." Professional writers take a more particular view of the use of these words. If you aren't going to lose your job over it, use whichever word sounds and works the best for you. But be sure to use "proven" for the adjectives. Example: "The proven method."

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Know that "proved" is the current choice for the past participle of the verb "prove." An example: The professor has proved his strengths in mathematics.

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Use "proven" as an adjective in journalism always. "Proven" is not used as a past participle in journalism.

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Apply the rules for predicate adjective in a linking verb construction as well by using "proven." Use "proven" as an adjective that modifies another word as in the following example: The professor's ability is proven. "Proven" modifies "ability;" it is not a part of the verb.




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Both “proved” and “proven” are past participles of “prove.” And both are considered proper: “proved” being the original past tense and “proven” being of a more recent vintage.

The hypothesis was proved incorrect.

The hypothesis was proven incorrect.

Both are correct. “Proven” is more commonly used in the US, and “proved” is more often used in the UK. When used as an adjective (when modifying a noun), “proven” is the correct form to use.

We use a proven formula in our model.


Weekly Language Usage Tips: Proved/proven, compared to/with « Language Usage Weblog

Could we BOTH be right? LOL.




Dale

 

[RLENT]

LOL.. it depends on the situation.. I have turned the other cheek.. but some people just wanna smack that cheek too

That, I believe, is the point ....

In non life threatening situations.. sure.. in life threatening, my family or mine.. well...there is a LOT of self control and judging the situation involved.

That - self control .... and willingness - is probably the real test :

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mathew Chapter 16

 

[Dreamer]

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mathew Chapter 16

Good point, however He was talking about a different thing there... losing my life for HIS sake could mean I'm killed because I'm a Christian. If and when this world ever get's to that point, I won't back down... I will stand convicted.

But, other translations shed light on the fact he was also talking about our lives here on Earth.. as in our selfish plans, our dreams. We may have to "give up" our life to gain His. But, if we choose His, many times we get it all.. cuz He just like's to spoil me!








That has nothing to do with allowing someone to kill my family or me for just random violence.


Dale

 

[Dreamer]

Wow.. political correctness, gun choices, to moral choices, to Bible discussion.. what a train wreck of a thread! Where's a friggin moderator... oh.. yeah.. nevermind.





Me

 

[RLENT]

Good point, however He was talking about a different thing there... losing my life for HIS sake means I'm killed because I'm a Christian.

That is one understanding or interpretation of it ....

I suppose it largely depends on what one thinks "being a Christian" actually consists of ....

Another understanding might be:

If one holds that He was the Prince of Peace, and instructed those who aspired to follow Him to act in a similar manner in both word and deed, then it follows that if one loses one's (Earthly) life for refusing to do violence to one's fellows, then one would, in fact, be losing their life for His sake ....

In Life, one is faced with many choices .... some are obvious .... others, mebbe not so much ....

It's all according to one's individual understanding .... and understanding is certainly something worth having ...

If and when this world ever get's to that point, I won't back down... I will stand convicted.

That has nothing to do with allowing someone to kill my family or me for just random violence.

.... it doesn't ?

 

[Dreamer]

That is one understanding or interpretation of it ....

I suppose it largely depends on what one thinks "being a Christian" actually consists of ....

Another understanding might be:

If one holds that He was the Prince of Peace, and instructed those who aspired to follow Him to act in a similar manner in both word and deed, then it follows that if one loses one's (Earthly) life for refusing to do violence to one's fellows, then one would, in fact, be losing their life for His sake ....

In Life, one is faced with many choices .... some are obvious .... others, mebbe not so much ....

It's all according to one's individual understanding .... and understanding is certainly something worth having ...


.... it doesn't ?

Valid argument... in 'my' opinion, that's not what it means.. but I do see how some could view it that way. I guess that's why God makes us all different



Dale

 

[RLENT]

Valid argument... in 'my' opinion, that's not what it means.. but I do see how some could view it that way. I guess that's why God makes us all different

I dunno if that's why ..... but it's certainly true that He does ...

Different .... while at the same time the same ...

 

[Ragman]

That's funny. When I talk to my wife about the food riots I think are pending, I call it the zombie apocalypse.

 

[Turtle]

Wow.. political correctness, gun choices, to moral choices, to Bible discussion.. what a train wreck of a thread!

Just another day in The Soapbox.

Psalm 144:1
Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.

Jesus says in Luke 22:36, "...if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Thanks to the Bible (Ecclesiastes 3) and The Byrds ("Turn! Turn! Turn! (to Everything There Is a Season)" - which incidentally still holds the record for a #1 hit with the oldest lyrics) we know that to every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. A time to kill, and a time to heal.

Clearly, one can see how the Bible, in the hands of someone who knows how, can be used to start wars, to end wars, to justify killings of all kinds, and to abuse the hearts and minds of others to do their bidding, not to mention to justify abuses of their own. One can also see how "The Bible says", becomes even more powerful, and scary, than, "Because I said so."

 

[RLENT]

Jesus says in Luke 22:36, "...if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Yes ..... he does .... but for what reason or purpose does he do this ?

Clearly, one can see how the Bible, in the hands of someone who knows how, can be used to start wars, to end wars, to justify killings of all kinds, and to abuse the hearts and minds of others to do their bidding, not to mention to justify abuses of their own. One can also see how "The Bible says", becomes even more powerful, and scary, than, "Because I said so."

True enough.

As with most things in man's hands, it (wisdom) can be bent to either good .... or great evil ....

 

[copdsux]

I'm not sure if this is germain to to the conversation, but here I go anyhow: Should we not live our lives as though we are the only copies of the Bible that some folks will ever see?

 

[Dreamer]

I'm not sure if this is germain to to the conversation, but here I go anyhow: Should we not live our lives as though we are the only copies of the Bible that some folks will ever see?

I actually spoke on just that thing a while back. It's a pretty intimidating concept, and one I'm afraid I fall short on.. but I try not to disgrace The Lord.


I've said many times... God is awesome.. but some of His PR team down here.. boy they've screwed up his image a lot.


Dale

 

[Turtle]

Yes ..... he does .... but for what reason or purpose does he do this ?

Self defense.

 

[cheri1122]

Unless you are really good with martial arts a good hand gun is a better bet. Besides, dead rapists can't rape again nor can they sue you.

I'm really BAD at martial arts - got a yellow belt and then quit. I can, however, hit what I aim at with a handgun.
The reference was one I thought all you guys would get: a recent shoplifter escaped from a big box store, only to be tackled by one of the 4 Marines collecting toys at the door. The shoplifter stabbed the Marine in the back, and when the police arrived to relieve the other 3 Marines of custody, the criminal had more broken bones than unbroken, because he "tripped over the curb & fell." Explanation accepted. True story. [My son in law had just read it to me from the news.]
I don't want trouble, but I don't let anyone abuse me without a fight, is what I meant to say.