Another Year Ends

fastman_1

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
2008 was much better than my 2009 and for 2010 I'm getting started a little slower, I'm looking at newer vans or perhaps a small Straight Truck, which will be better equiped than my current van, to help save money by having meals on wheels instead of truck stops or fast food, gonna keep a close watch or the yes-no with loads and gonna leave my mutt at home since he eats like a horse. and I hope I'll be around in 2011.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Whatever. I have no idea what words I put in your mouth.
The ones preceding my reply, beginning with "all you had to say was"
Besides, I don't have to answer to you anyway.
You do not, nor does anyone else. You can reject my input, or consider whether it has merit, just like everyone else. Replying as would a sulky child doesn't convince me that your point is valid, ok?
Leave it alone and it will return.
It may. Or it may become a long drawn out conversation between a few, totally uninteresting to the many, which is happening a lot here lately. :(
And because I don't wish this to become more of the same, I'm done - I've said all I wanted, thank you.
Anyone have anything to say to the original question?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Sure, last year was very interesting to say the least. We have a plan set for the New Year. We plan on spending 2010 paying down debt. We managed to get caught up in 2009 from the mess we had in 2008. We plan on pretty much doing what we did this year only, with any luck, fewer mistakes. This business is a constant learning process.
 

transporter

Expert Expediter
i have paid down alot of debt. changed insurance companies. increased different revenue streams. i am one of the few on here that openly projects a pretty good year in 2010. that is for our industry as a whole. But not for the lazy or bad decision makers.
i could save more money by eating out of the truck more.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Some folks in here probably iron their underwear too, way to wired for me, now where were we anyway....o yea, I 40 lol, oh forgot to mention, do they use starch??
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
For us we are going to see JuJu at home for most of the year...long loads just wear us out...I am happy with 400-600 miles loads. 3x's a week.
Any busier then that is gravy.
Looking to be OOS even more as I tend to the land out here....I don't need to grind and hustle anymore...I'll leave that to the younger people.:D

BTW...
Load selection and being able to negogiate a price ..to ultimately keep the DH to a bare minimum is essential in this market place right now. Unpaid DH is negative income.
 

FIS53

Veteran Expediter
Unfortunately I get a lot of unpaid dh! Have been looking into how to reduce that as it definitely is a lot of wear and tear on the buggies for no return.
Rob
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Unfortunately I get a lot of unpaid dh! Have been looking into how to reduce that as it definitely is a lot of wear and tear on the buggies for no return.
Rob
When I was with a Can carrier unpaid DH is almost the norm...unfortunately
I think the secret is to stay close to your lanes and forget those Looong loads where ya have to DH back into the zone.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
LOOKING FORWARD 2010 is going to be a b*tch for a lot of people who are in this business.

To start with the present administration has forced most of the country's business sector to hold off on everything unless it is necessary because of the ambiguity of their policies and unsure message of where they want to take the country. They have yet decided on any one tax increase they want to push and want to force many companies to pay for things that is not needed or wanted - health care is one of them.

Many shippers are going to make further changes in the way they ship, the economy as much as people think is on the road to recovery is only poised to recovery to a point but will never be able to expand as it should or really needed - the government has counted on expansion from a base year of 1999 in order to pay for a lot of debt they created in the short term and pay for the cost of a number of new programs as political pay back. Expansion can't and will not come to us for many years, the underlying manufacturing base has been chipped away with the auto bailouts, the move of jobs into Mexico and so on and the debt and the interest rate that was lowered to help has hurt our overall chances for a real recovery.

A number of carriers may be faced issues just like Arrow - keeping afloat in decreasing rates - may not make it through 2010. Arrow from what I have read is example where they could not actually refi their loans and ended up going down - commercial paper, go figure.

CSA 2010 will effect everyone, not just straight truck drivers and not just the companies - but everyone. It is not a good thing as much as it is a good first step, the real issue is it is not proactive but reactive and many companies will end up on the losing end of the stick, as much as many marginal drivers. It is another thing that many think it will help but may make things worst in the long run.

What will not happen which should be a mass exodus of poor and marginal drivers outside of 2010 through the revolving door of recruiting - it seems that some training companies and carriers are ramping up efforts to get more people in their truck in anticipation of a recovery and CSA 2010. With the number of unemployed, the trucking industry is a good way to take a 6 week course (many states pay for it) and hit the road to make money to pay the bills. If the driver is a poor driver before training, he will be a poor driver in the truck and the CSA 2010 program will eventually ID him/her and they will be gone while in the mean time the carrier has another in the wings waiting.

Rates may go up, they also may go down if there is more competition for the work - there is only so much work to be had. The brokers and some carriers who don't use their own trucks to move their own freight will only appear to increase the amount of freight out there but of course it will be just a continuation of multiple postings of the same shipment by a number of brokers and carriers.

Our stuff may see more of a blur into LTL than ever before, and companies like FedEx who are diversified will have use their "expediting" groups to work the spill over from their main part of the business to save them money. Even within some carriers, like FedEx, they have internalized competition to move more freight and this has put owners/drivers in the position that they better accept what is coming to them or sit more. It is not about the owner or driver anymore as much as it is not about the customer or shipper but it is about maintaining the profit margin and the stock holders value.

For many of us in this niche market, capital expenditures may be something that needs to be held off until a good reserve is created and kept for the long haul. Managing money coupled with depression era thinking may only be the way to save many of your butts in these times - the $10 a day food allowance is already a reality for a lot of us, and if done right doesn't make us any less of a good operator or make us into some poor driver - not a bad thing as many have made it out to be.

No matter what others think, with internalized competitiveness and the lack of real control over what the company does, most don't have the real control to keep things running as they need to which leaves little control outside of watching what they spend. The key has always been to be able to work as a business with access to the work without having someone not offering you the work or worst yet having the work offered to 10 trucks at the same time.
 
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ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
So how does one work on the dead head?

I note pick up locations by circling the town in my atlas. Each additional pick up in a town gets an additional tick mark. Over time the good freight areas stand out. If I'm in a heavy traffic area, I'll wait longer before moving to a another location to sit. If I'm in a dead area, I'm looking for one of the closer heavy traffic areas to troll towards, and I'm quicker to move. You can speed up the mapping process by noting where other drivers from your company (of similar vehicle type) are picking up loads. The key to moving is to make it a worthwhile move.

eb
 

FIS53

Veteran Expediter
OVM you're quite right about the canuck market having a lot of dh. I've noticed in the last 6-7 years a lot of small expedite ops have opened and many are still around but now they're hauling just about anything. They've not only reduced potential back hauls but have cut rates in the fight to get a piece of the action. I've seen 3 new competitors in the last 3 years just hitting our customer base directly and those related to it. Many of the smaller outfits are hauling for other carriers on the side.

Greg I think you've hit most of it right on. Although I think many companies will be trying more to stay in business and keep things rolling more than worrying about the stockholders so much. I could be wrong on that but today it is survive or lose everything.
Rob
 

touble

Seasoned Expediter
Very interesting question. I dont think expediting is truly just in time any longer. More like truck load, only in a smaller truck and the rate refect this, plus the time to delivery the load. With this in mind, I will be making a few changes this year. As OVM stated, I will be running the lanes that I know that are good, very few out of the way locations. DH is a real factor and this will be reduced as well. The long layovers for the weekends are very costly, so I will try to be close to home as much as possible or close to a friends home. I will accept most load offer, if they are going in the lanes I know are good. I am very concern about the new rules starting in 2010 and in the future years to come. I think many drivers will lose there jobs and what inpact this will have on freight rates is unknown. I believe 2010 will see loads increase, with the rates the same as 2009. We will also see higher cost in doing business in the coming year as well. Sooo, more of the same only more diffcult. That is my take on 2010.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
So how does one work on the dead head?

I note pick up locations by circling the town in my atlas. Each additional pick up in a town gets an additional tick mark. Over time the good freight areas stand out. If I'm in a heavy traffic area, I'll wait longer before moving to a another location to sit. If I'm in a dead area, I'm looking for one of the closer heavy traffic areas to troll towards, and I'm quicker to move. You can speed up the mapping process by noting where other drivers from your company (of similar vehicle type) are picking up loads. The key to moving is to make it a worthwhile move.

eb

EB..IF you can communicate with your dispatch much the better...ASK where they see loads coming up..MOVE...what I call "half the distance to goal line" Make them pay for the rest..*L*

Rob....my carrier would try to line up LTL if possible, but a van load is rough to get...as they say..at least it pays for your fuel back...
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
EB..IF you can communicate with your dispatch much the better...ASK where they see loads coming up..MOVE...what I call "half the distance to goal line" Make them pay for the rest..*L*

Yes, "IF" is a key to your advice. I came up with my system out of necessity. And yes, another thing I like about "half the distance to the goal line" is I really hate it when I end up going back to a place I just past.

eb
 

transporter

Expert Expediter
i dont mean to imply that it will be easy and more loads than you could ever handle. Yes next year will be a year of changes.
We are businessmen. A montra you should live by is adapt or die on the vine. We may pickup more at ltl carriers next year so what? If you are top heavy with dept your chances of success is alot less likely. But than again that was always the case with running your own business. (debt is bad).
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
LOOKING FORWARD 2010 is going to be a b*tch for a lot of people who are in this business.

To start with the present administration has forced most of the country's business sector to hold off on everything unless it is necessary because of the ambiguity of their policies and unsure message of where they want to take the country. They have yet decided on any one tax increase they want to push and want to force many companies to pay for things that is not needed or wanted - health care is one of them.

Many shippers are going to make further changes in the way they ship, the economy as much as people think is on the road to recovery is only poised to recovery to a point but will never be able to expand as it should or really needed - the government has counted on expansion from a base year of 1999 in order to pay for a lot of debt they created in the short term and pay for the cost of a number of new programs as political pay back. Expansion can't and will not come to us for many years, the underlying manufacturing base has been chipped away with the auto bailouts, the move of jobs into Mexico and so on and the debt and the interest rate that was lowered to help has hurt our overall chances for a real recovery.

A number of carriers may be faced issues just like Arrow - keeping afloat in decreasing rates - may not make it through 2010. Arrow from what I have read is example where they could not actually refi their loans and ended up going down - commercial paper, go figure.

CSA 2010 will effect everyone, not just straight truck drivers and not just the companies - but everyone. It is not a good thing as much as it is a good first step, the real issue is it is not proactive but reactive and many companies will end up on the losing end of the stick, as much as many marginal drivers. It is another thing that many think it will help but may make things worst in the long run.

What will not happen which should be a mass exodus of poor and marginal drivers outside of 2010 through the revolving door of recruiting - it seems that some training companies and carriers are ramping up efforts to get more people in their truck in anticipation of a recovery and CSA 2010. With the number of unemployed, the trucking industry is a good way to take a 6 week course (many states pay for it) and hit the road to make money to pay the bills. If the driver is a poor driver before training, he will be a poor driver in the truck and the CSA 2010 program will eventually ID him/her and they will be gone while in the mean time the carrier has another in the wings waiting.

Rates may go up, they also may go down if there is more competition for the work - there is only so much work to be had. The brokers and some carriers who don't use their own trucks to move their own freight will only appear to increase the amount of freight out there but of course it will be just a continuation of multiple postings of the same shipment by a number of brokers and carriers.

Our stuff may see more of a blur into LTL than ever before, and companies like FedEx who are diversified will have use their "expediting" groups to work the spill over from their main part of the business to save them money. Even within some carriers, like FedEx, they have internalized competition to move more freight and this has put owners/drivers in the position that they better accept what is coming to them or sit more. It is not about the owner or driver anymore as much as it is not about the customer or shipper but it is about maintaining the profit margin and the stock holders value.

For many of us in this niche market, capital expenditures may be something that needs to be held off until a good reserve is created and kept for the long haul. Managing money coupled with depression era thinking may only be the way to save many of your butts in these times - the $10 a day food allowance is already a reality for a lot of us, and if done right doesn't make us any less of a good operator or make us into some poor driver - not a bad thing as many have made it out to be.

No matter what others think, with internalized competitiveness and the lack of real control over what the company does, most don't have the real control to keep things running as they need to which leaves little control outside of watching what they spend. The key has always been to be able to work as a business with access to the work without having someone not offering you the work or worst yet having the work offered to 10 trucks at the same time.

I think I'm either inspired or depressed by all the above, but we are all in business to make money, and thats my final answer amen.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I think I'm either inspired or depressed by all the above, but we are all in business to make money, and thats my final answer amen.

Be inspired, I didn't write it to prevent people from looking for opportunities to better your business skills but to take advantage of the negative to be positive - it is a mindset that many need to achieve your goals.
 

Dynamite 1

Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
i agree 2010 is going to be interesting. all should take heed and be as profitable and cost concious as possible. those of you mentioning deadhead, you should all make it your goals to talk to your companies and reevaluate deadhead policies. lets face it most of them suck and pull down the profit. most need to do this. this is one area that has been let go for along time.
 
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