Another Life After FedExCC

Special K

Expert Expediter
Since I can no longer post on the FedEx forum, I'll put this here, hoping that some of those 32 folks (so far) who contacted me (in response to my "Purple No More" post) by PM's will see it, along with others who may find this interesting. It is not addressed to those who are happy with the way things are. In no way am I trying to "convince" anyone to leave FedEx. I don't have to. The 32 PM's prove that those people already have it in mind. This is just some more "food for thought". (Quite a few of those who wrote have TVAL trucks, and I understand that they are not interested in what E-1 can now offer, but there are others who may well be.)
As I responded to everyone who inquired, we've moved to Express-1, and are very pleased. In my responses, I offered to share a chart our recruiter sent us, giving statistics on their 30 highest-grossing teams during a recent 7-day period - including dollars-and-cents revenue figures (something FedEx never would do!) To my astonishment, only 3 of the 32 "inquirers" even asked to see those figures.
Can it be that many people now driving for FedExCC believe that they couldn't possibly make as much anywhere else? We believed that, too, until we saw that chart. Of those 30 teams, 3 of them grossed well over $7000, and several more did better than $6000, doing what FedEx calls "surface" freight, in one week. We look at all the nights we sat up doing DDPS, all the inside pickups and deliveries, and realize that there are people at other companies making more, NOT doing all that extra stuff!
The new post about the low opp offers makes me wonder, what is the use of griping and whining to each other about it? Does anyone think it's going to change? Do you realize how long it's been going on? Is something magical going to happen to cause it to change, and go back to how it "used to be"?
Not only are our new friends easy to get along with - they actually answer the phone when we call! - they make it very easy to make the change. They'll remove the previous signs and Qualcomm at no charge, and no cost for the new signs, either. The only escrow-type charge is a refundable $600 Qualcomm deposit, which is taken out in 6 $100 deductions.
All this is just to say that no one has to put up with the "stuff" going on unless they want to. Do you think, with our extensive experience and business smarts, that we would have made a careless or "bad" decision? We just wish we had gotten ticked off enough to investigate long ago, instead of staying because we assumed we made the most that could be made in expediting just because of the name. Good luck to everyone, and BE SAFE!
 

BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
I don't know daylight from dark about Fed Ex or Straight trucks. BUT, it seems to me just because two trucks Gross the same amount of money for the same amount of miles it doesn't mean they both Net the same. Does it?.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I really hope people did not go to the Feds because of the name...and relate big with better...national reach means nothing these days...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
SpecialK,
Congrats. There is no reason why you won't do well at E-1.

OVM, it is the hype, the BS and the "I made millions, you can too" sales pitch that get a lot of people going about it.

FedEx is a great brand, there are a lot of opportunities for some who is smart enough to find them. CC isn't the place though. CC is a small (very small) part of the big picture (it is like a spec of dirt on a Jackson Pollack's Number 5) and many don't get that part.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
SpecialK,
Congrats. There is no reason why you won't do well at E-1.

OVM, it is the hype, the BS and the "I made millions, you can too" sales pitch that get a lot of people going about it.

FedEx is a great brand, there are a lot of opportunities for some who is smart enough to find them. CC isn't the place though. CC is a small (very small) part of the big picture (it is like a spec of dirt on a Jackson Pollack's Number 5) and many don't get that part.


its been downhill since Roberts time for them...lower and lower they slink...hope their influence doesn't drag us down that far..
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Could it be possible that FedEx may want to divest itself of FECC and concentrate on it's core businesses?

How much has FECC contributed to the corporate bottom line in the past five years?

Are FECC's earnings even listed under FECC or under "other"?

I recall another large transportation interest that got into the expedite business. Eventually they went from percentage pay to a low flat rate. Trimmed fleet size and then sold to concentrate on their core businesses. It can and does happen!
 

bryanvolsfan

Seasoned Expediter
Con-Way NOW was a great place to contract with. I never had any trouble getting a load, dealing with anyone in dispatch or office personnel and they had a good "Brand Name." I have heard horror stories about every company in the industry, I think it depends on many factors to make each individual happy. I am with a small company and I really enjoy working with them, all about preference.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
its been downhill since Roberts time for them...lower and lower they slink...hope their influence doesn't drag us down that far..

How do you figure that? Were you with them when they were Roberts?

They have little influence in the market, if they did then we would see a lot more cheap package shipping style rates across the board but have we?
 

teamjdw

Expert Expediter
When we drove for E-1,the pay was only a $1.12 per mile straight truck no dead head pay if under 100 miles,after 100 miles still nothing to write home about.we ussually did 2000-2500 miles per week maybe 3000 once in awhile.Dispatch would call with a load offer.If you said yes they we're very nice,if you said no then well watch out.I would agree there system was a lot easier than Fedex,But since we switched over to Fedex w/glove tval our pay is consistently higher.We easily make more money.Yes i will admit the Fedex system can be irratating at times,but we do like having a choice in what loads we do ,and for how much.We also won't complain about the $20-25k per year we will easily make with Fedex over E-1.Now that E-1 has reefer trucks how is the pay?They didn't have these trucks when we we're there.we don't miss running surface freight.We really like the purple shirts,and the respect we get at pick ups and delivery.Since we have only been with Fedex for four months,we don't know about the good old day's we here about at Fedex.But after running surface freight for 9 months at E-1.I'm glad we made the switch.Well that's my two cent's worth.This post is for entertainment purposes only,not an endorsement for either company;)
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
When we drove for E-1,the pay was only a $1.12 per mile straight truck no dead head pay if under 100 miles,after 100 miles still nothing to write home about.we ussually did 2000-2500 miles per week maybe 3000 once in awhile.Dispatch would call with a load offer.If you said yes they we're very nice,if you said no then well watch out.I would agree there system was a lot easier than Fedex,But since we switched over to Fedex w/glove tval our pay is consistently higher.We easily make more money.Yes i will admit the Fedex system can be irratating at times,but we do like having a choice in what loads we do ,and for how much.We also won't complain about the $20-25k per year we will easily make with Fedex over E-1.Now that E-1 has reefer trucks how is the pay?They didn't have these trucks when we we're there.we don't miss running surface freight.We really like the purple shirts,and the respect we get at pick ups and delivery.Since we have only been with Fedex for four months,we don't know about the good old day's we here about at Fedex.But after running surface freight for 9 months at E-1.I'm glad we made the switch.Well that's my two cent's worth.This post is for entertainment purposes only,not an endorsement for either company;)

E-1 compared to Tval....can't even begin to compare...gee whiz....shaking head...
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Normally i will not post a reply to a PM on the open forum ,but i think you opened the doors ,since i was one of the 3 to ask & received (thank you!) a copy of those spoken charts .
(& if you read my post carefully ,you'll see that i did not write nothing from within those PM/Emails)

however ,i simply did not buy into that chart ,seams to me like nothing more then a recruiting pitch .
you can easily find out ,by calling your trusted recruiter and ask him to attach units # and contact info for at least a few of those units .
strong weeks are the nature of expedite ,they come & go in cycles .i'd bet same teams are not holding the charts weeks at a time .with so many trucks - if only a few have good week ,that's more then enough to fill a chart .
i'd be mach more interested to see quarterly statements .

PPM & gross revenue mean simply squat in Expedite .
it is the big picture that counts ,and if the carrier is making the best out of your equipment and time .

i think that what saved you ,is that large box you have on the truck ,and feal bad for those that bought a million $ shoe box and do not have the diversified opportunity you got .
only time will tell if E1 can make the best out of your experience .one thing for sure - they are lucky to have you on board ,and will be fools not to keep you .
i truly appreciated you shearing your carrier transfer experience with me ,and here on the open forum ,it's help a lot ! .
i hope E1 lives up to your expectations .
 
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Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Normally i will not post a reply to a PM on the open forum ,but i think you opened the doors...

(& if you read my post carefully ,you'll see that i did not write nothing from within those PM/Email.

Geez! So thats where I went wrong. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted ( the post that is)! LOL ;)
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Roberts was a great company. But as things evolved over the years, you have what you see now. All the things discussed over the last several years that some folks defended as a necessary path to the "millions" were a slow erosion of the owner operators profit.
Roberts was the benchmark for many carriers and most at that time try to emulate their success.
Much has changed to where they might still be a decent carrier, but not even close to being "the only opportunity".
One thing is for certain.
After reading the Fed forum, it sounds like a lot of stressing going on over there.
As far as brand name, it would matter if we were talking about retail. It wouldn't even be on my radar with regards to shopping a carrier.
Good luck on the new gig.
 
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layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Roberts was a great company. But as things evolved over the years, you have what you see now. All the things discussed over the last several years that some folks defended as a necessary path to the "millions" were a slow erosion of the owner operators profit.
Roberts was the benchmark for many carriers and most at that time try to emulate their success.
Much has changed to where they might still be a decent carrier, but not even close to being "the only opportunity".
As far as brand name, it would matter if we were talking about retail. It wouldn't even be on my radar with regards to shopping a carrier.
Good luck on the new gig.

Dave, while "brand" might not be as important as is it in retail it is somewhat important to us. Many of the customers that we deal with tell us that they call FedEx Custom Critical mainly because of the FedEx reputation. I know that we have had loads due to that.

FDCC is NOT the only game in town. It does NOT suit everyone's needs. Right now it suits ours. Could that change? YOU BET!! I know that we are just another contractor to FDCC. They would not miss us if we left and would do very little if anything to keep us, or any contractor, if we decided to leave.

What would it take to get us to move? A better chance of making money. A set of "warts" that we could find easier to deal with than the "warts" we deal with now.

My responsibility is to my wife and myself. My main concern is OUR welfare. I owe FDCC a good job while I am leased to them. I must represent that company in a positive manner. I must do my best to handle freight etc to the best of my ability. That is all I owe them. I don't owe them, or any company, my life.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I certainly think the brand name helps them acquire certain business. If you think it helps your individual situation, then that is great. I look at it as a double edge sword.
But at the end of the day, for me personally, it didn't have the impact from going there to somewhere else.
Many of the customers turned out to be the same ones from carrier to carrier. Still seems that way today doing broker loads for them.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I certainly think the brand name helps them acquire certain business. If you think it helps your individual situation, then that is great. I look at it as a double edge sword.
But at the end of the day, for me personally, it didn't have the impact from going there to somewhere else.
Many of the customers turned out to be the same ones from carrier to carrier. Still seems that way today doing broker loads for them.

Of course it is a double edged sword. Most things in life are. The brand will have little to keep me if I find a "better life" elsewhere. For now, this is working ok.

The kinds of loads I was referring too would not be brokered out and FDCC has NO problem finding trucks for those loads.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Of course it is a double edged sword. Most things in life are. The brand will have little to keep me if I find a "better life" elsewhere. For now, this is working ok.

The kinds of loads I was referring too would not be brokered out and FDCC has NO problem finding trucks for those loads.

As long as they have enough of them, that is all that matters.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Even though I am in a tractor rather than ST or Van,I most likely have more experience in the expedite business.I started with Roberts,in fact everytime a tractor person was recruited,they showed the revenue from my truck.I was running team,with a shadow co driver for the first 3 years,and was highest paid truck.As the years went on,of course i got cought running solo and have had a co-driver ever since the end of 1987.When Fedex changed Roberts name to custom critical,they lost alot of business,it did pick back up after the customers realized the service was the best that could be found.
Over the years,Ive had a truck with Panther,Con-Way Now.And now I'm the happiest I have ever been.Do to having a wreck that fdcc said was a preventable,most everyone knows about the deer,I am with what I believe is the best small expedite company in the industry.As was Con-Way Now,my truck is kept very busy.As of my last statement,from 1st pay in april to last pay in july,44 loads,$76000 for 39000 miles.Was off work do to accident,lady hit me,truck was in shop 2 weeks,1st part of june.This is for 14 weeks.Am i saying everyone here does this,NO,infact I don't know,but if they work like I do its very possible.
I am not knocking Fed Ex Custom Critical,as we all know,no company is perfect,I was making my usual money there but my money per mile dropped,causing me to work harder to net my same income.
I can't say,the other expedite companies are better or not,I just know the ones I've been involved with.
 
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