Another deranged cop attacks

[cheri1122]

It will if he's one who believes he's the only one with the right to be armed. It will if he uses it as an excuse to restrain me without cause or if he believes he has the right to even temporarily take it from me. And being compelled to answer violates my right to remain silent.

Any LEO who believes any of the things you posit would find he's wrong [and unemployed] after you sue him and win, because he would definitely be wrong.
As for your right to remain silent, that applies only if and when you have been accused of a crime, not anywhere, anytime you object to being asked a question.

 

[layoutshooter]

Any LEO who believes any of the things you posit would find he's wrong [and unemployed] after you sue him and win, because he would definitely be wrong.
As for your right to remain silent, that applies only if and when you have been accused of a crime, not anywhere, anytime you object to being asked a question.

Show me in ANY part of the Constitution that REQUIRES me to answer ANY question from a government official. I am under NO obligation to answer ANY question from the government. THEY, however, ARE under obligation to answer ANY question asked of them by the People.

 

[cheri1122]

Show me in ANY part of the Constitution that REQUIRES me to answer ANY question from a government official. I am under NO obligation to answer ANY question from the government. THEY, however, ARE under obligation to answer ANY question asked of them by the People.

You are correct. Now go say it to a LEO who's asked you a question, and let us know how it works.

 

[cheri1122]

Even better: try it on a judge, lol.

 

[layoutshooter]

Even better: try it on a judge, lol.

I KNOW how it works. That does NOT, however, make it right. The REASON it no longer works is because, for the most part, the American People are wimps and have decided to give UP their RIGHTFUL control OVER their government and have ALLOWED them to control the People.


It's funny, people who CHOSE to stand up for RIGHTS under the Constitution are often considered 'radicals' by the wimps who put up and shut up when told too. They just fall into line like mindless worker ants. Both the Government AND the wimps even look down on those who live by the RIGHTS that is part of the birthright of EVERY legal born and naturalized citizen.

That is SICK.

 

[Turtle]

Actually, it's not just after you've been accused of a crime. You really and truly don't have to say anything to a LEO, other than in providing identification in most cases. Layout is spot-on with that one.

 

[cheri1122]

Per Wiki: As of Feb, 2011, the validity of a law requiring that a person provide anything more than stating his name [emphasis mine] has not come before the Supreme Court.
It's splitting hairs to insist that one doesn't have to 'answer any questions', because one could simply hand over a photo ID, but the consensus of cases demonstrate clearly that if a LEO asks a reasonable question, refusal to reply can be considered obstruction of justice, or interfering with law enforcement or any of several other charges in many states.
It can, in fact, get you arrested - the SC has ruled [Hiibel vs 6th Judicial Court of Nevada] that LEO's may ask basic questions [and conduct a 'limited search of outer garments for weapons'] without violating a citizen's 4th or 5th amendment rights.

 

[AMonger]

Even better: try it on a judge, lol.

"Your honor, I an invoking my constitutionally protected right to remain silent." It's also known as "standing mute." It is your right, and the only way around it is to grant you immunity so that there is no risk of self-incrimination. The SC has ruled that this right applies any time when any penalty may be leveled against you, even at the border.

 

[AMonger]

Per Wiki: As of Feb, 2011, the validity of a law requiring that a person provide anything more than stating his name [emphasis mine] has not come before the Supreme Court.
It's splitting hairs to insist that one doesn't have to 'answer any questions', because one could simply hand over a photo ID, but the consensus of cases demonstrate clearly that if a LEO asks a reasonable question, refusal to reply can be considered obstruction of justice, or interfering with law enforcement or any of several other charges in many states.
It can, in fact, get you arrested - the SC has ruled [Hiibel vs 6th Judicial Court of Nevada] that LEO's may ask basic questions [and conduct a 'limited search of outer garments for weapons'] without violating a citizen's 4th or 5th amendment rights.

Yes, they can ask. But that doesn't mean you have to answer. The right to remain silent applies in every instance in which you may face some sort of penalty.

 

[AMonger]

Any LEO who believes any of the things you posit would find he's wrong [and unemployed] after you sue him and win, because he would definitely be wrong.

Unfortunately, no. Cops in some jurisdictions routinely seize any firearm at a scene and only return it when they're leaving. Urns complete BS, but they get away with it. I don't know how.

 

[xiggi]

Unfortunately, no. Cops in some jurisdictions routinely seize any firearm at a scene and only return it when they're leaving. Urns complete BS, but they get away with it. I don't know how.

AM is correct on that for sure. Check into what Washington dc has done to some military men just passing through with firearms in the trunk.

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[bobwg]

Dont go thru Illinois they will confiscate hand guns too. Know of someone on a airline flight that got diverted to Chicago got off the plane and when he tried to reboard they confiscated his gun he was legal until he got off the airplane in Illinois jurisdiction. The gun was locked in his checked bag as required

 

[AMonger]

AM is correct on that for sure. Check into what Washington dc has done to some military men just passing through with firearms in the trunk.

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I'm not really talking about that. I'm talking about if you Jane a propeller or something and call the cops. Meanwhile, you fill your hand with a gun to protect your family. The cop gets there and sees your gun. "I'll take that for now," he says. "You can have it back when I leave."
He holds onto it until he's done at the scene, then unloads it and gives it back to you. He wants control of every firearm in the vicinity. He wants to be the only one armed.
I was in an altercation when I was a guard in which someone pulled a knife on me. I pointed my pistol at him, and he was a fraction of an ounce of trigger pressure from having a 158gr. .357 magnum semi jacketed hollow point sized hole in his chest. The cops were called and they took my gun until they heard everybody's story and the NCIC/NCIS checks came back. But I understood that; I was someone being investigated and it involved the use of my gun.
But the cops I'm talking about just want physical control of every gun at every scene they're at. Who's going to protect us from them if they have all the guns? That's the point right there