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Tennesseahawk

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When are you talking about, OVM? The Crusades? If you remember correctly, the Iranians started things with their damm revolution. Khomenhi became a martyr overnight. Terrorism became a way of life throughout the Mid East.

No... if we had cahones like the Russians, we would not be having this problem. Notice the radicals don't mess with them? Flat out, they respect those who fight back. We don't. There's our problem. They are akin to schoolyard bullies who will keep taking lunch money till someone pops em in the nose. We keep running to the teacher.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
If we didn't give the fanatics a target there would be no killing...
Omigosh !

That almost sounds suspiciously like asking the question:

"What is it that we are activitely doing to make them hate us ?"

Please, please say that it ain't so OVM - that that is not where you're going with this ?

I mean, what level of responsibility would that require - to actually look at one's own conduct as the reason for the feelings or actions of another ? :rolleyes:
 
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hdxpedx

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When are you talking about, OVM? The Crusades? If you remember correctly, the Iranians started things with their damm revolution. Khomenhi became a martyr overnight. Terrorism became a way of life throughout the Mid East.

No... if we had cahones like the Russians, we would not be having this problem. Notice the radicals don't mess with them? Flat out, they respect those who fight back. We don't. There's our problem. They are akin to schoolyard bullies who will keep taking lunch money till someone pops em in the nose. We keep running to the teacher.

Barry can turn IRAN into a revolution against IjustWANTaJIHAD by just supporting those inside who are being rounded up daily- BUT it's going to take a PALIN with a spine-- once spine-less barry blocks gas going to Iran-WE will ALL feel that one and I believe that's his agenda! "NEVER LET A CRISIS go to WASTE!!
 

OntarioVanMan

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Omigosh !

That almost sounds suspiciously like asking the question:

"What is it that we are activitely doing to make them hate us ?"

Please, please say that it ain't so OVM - that that is not where you're going with this ?

I mean, what level of responsibility would that require - to actually look at one's own conduct as the reason for the actions of another ? :rolleyes:


Well for one thing Russia never tried to infer their way of life on the Middle East...They kept their nose out.

Many, Many years of US failed foreign policy of wanting to CONTROL every aspect of the world under the auspices of protecting OUR freedom to justify the interference. WE started this by the very same foreign policies of many past administrations....It is a people fighting back from US control using Religious fanatics to do so....We just couldn't keep our nose out of other peoples business.
 

RLENT

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When are you talking about, OVM? The Crusades? If you remember correctly, the Iranians started things with their damm revolution.
Zat a fact ?

Izat how it went ?

Might wanna read this:

Electronic Briefing Book: The Secret CIA History of the Iran Coup

(The above page contains links to copies of the actual declassified CIA documents for "Operation AJAX".)

While you are reading that you might want to keep in mind that what we are talking about is a coup against a popularly elected leader of a nation - a man who was an Iranian Constitutionalist

Brought to you exclusively by the retards and morons in our country's political leadership and the national intelligence establishment (oxymoron if ever there was one) .... largely over the fact that the local inhabitants (IOW, the owners) didn't like the fact they were being raped of their country's mineral wealth (I have heard that most that are raped tend not to enjoy it ...)

One can only imagine what might have been .....

If this were done to the US it would be the equivalent of a foreign power perpetrating a coup against say perhaps Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, or George Washington. How would you view that ?

To get a brief overview of the man:

Mohammad Mosaddegh

.... although I am sure there are more scholarly texts available.

While you are at it you might want to read this as well:

Iranian Constitutional Revolution

and then read this:

Anglo-Persian Oil Company

They are akin to schoolyard bullies who will keep taking lunch money till someone pops em in the nose. We keep running to the teacher.
Yeah ... well, then if they are bullies, the real question, in light of the above (our subverting another government) is:

What does that make us ?

Somewhat worse than a mere bully I would think ..... the term "terrorist state" immediately comes to mind ..... :rolleyes:
 
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RLENT

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We just couldn't keep our nose out of other peoples business.
Yeah .... pretty much ..... and you see it here, on EO, in the SoapBox and elsewhere, on a daily basis ......

Everything from the fascination who Tiger or Britney is doing today .... to individuals proposing that cargo vans drivers ought to be more regulated (because "personal responsibility has failed", and because certain people "know best" what's good for others ... you literally couldn't make it up .. :rolleyes:)

We are a nation of busy-body's .....
 
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OntarioVanMan

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I am feeling like I am NOT going to be a good American. Guess I'll never be a citizen...:confused:

Because I don't see us as perfect and all the worlds problems were started because of someone else and WE swoop in and be the hero and save the world and set-up a Coca Cola factory there and whip a little American industry on them...and make everything ok.

WHY..do these people hate us so much? Why?

Why not Denmark? Switzerland? Norway? Holland? Irish?

Do you think it is something we did or said?

Maybe they just picked our country out of a box of Cracker Jacks
 

RLENT

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I am feeling like I am NOT going to be a good American ..... Because I don't see us as perfect ......
You sir, may well be the best US Citizen that there ever could possibly be ..... you, in fact, may be our only hope ....

If this country is to survive at all into the future (I have my doubts) it will take a populace that at least is willing to look and then recognize the sins of the past, ignoring all the chest-thumbing nationalistic propaganda ..... and then accept responsibility, by doing something about it.
 
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chefdennis

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War is about power and as long as man inhabits the planet there will be wars...its just the way it is ....fact is most of the corrupt world leaders WE had a hand in putting in office , its when they no longer serve our purpose that WE decide to take them out...are we right in most of those cases? Whats right? Morally right? right for or economy? or right for whatever reason WE say is right? Chances are none of them, but you know what..at one time we were the biggest and the baddest and we had the most toys so we took it to whoever we wanted..well now we are viewed as weak because of our leadership (clinton, bush in his last yrs and now barry) and the chances of it coming to us become bigger, thats the way it is...if it happens here then we fight back, if if happens elsewhere, then we push the issue, but we will be involved, its just the way it is...as i said as long as man inhabits this planet, there will be war...if you are use to it by now, guess you never will be....and i didn't say "comfortable with it" i said use to it.....

Oh and war also pays well...as long as you are "working" for the right private contractors........
 

layoutshooter

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If I were to be President there is a very good chance that we would be involved in far fewer wars in the future and the one we are in now would get fought, won, ended and this time the United States would not nor never again abandon a region that we freed. We would stay and assist a country like Afghanistan to become a full partner with the rest of the world. We would leave them to the wolfs as we did last time.

This Country would not be weak, but would always remain strong since that is the only way to avoid war.

Keeping a strong military and intelligence service is very expensive, fighting war cost even more. The cost of weakness is always higher. Both in lives and money.
 

OntarioVanMan

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As was said in The Day the World Stood Still...

Man MUST learn to get over their petty differences. Or there will never be peace...

As Captain Kirk said..Humans kill humans, we are a war like civilization...
We Have to learn to say, We will not kill today and take it day by day
 

layoutshooter

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Let's see, I think it was the Prime Minister prior to Churchill that had a policy of appeasment. THAT did not work and millions died under the Axis powers. The world stood by, in the name of peace and allowed the Soviets to kill millions. The world stood by, more peace, and allowed China to kill and continue to kill millions. Same with North Korea, Iran, Cuba etc, etc, etc.

Your right, OVM, let's just say no more killing. That would fix it.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Let's see, I think it was the Prime Minister prior to Churchill that had a policy of appeasment. THAT did not work and millions died under the Axis powers. The world stood by, in the name of peace and allowed the Soviets to kill millions. The world stood by, more peace, and allowed China to kill and continue to kill millions. Same with North Korea, Iran, Cuba etc, etc, etc.

Your right, OVM, let's just say no more killing. That would fix it.

That IF everyone agreed Joe...but that ain't likely to happen any time soon...

Some how the idea of a universal cop as in a Gort appeals to me....
 

chefdennis

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people talk about peace and no wars and "working together for the better good of man and they dream....they say dreams make the world go around....not too sure they have stopped any wars....nor will they anytime soon....
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Just let the Layoutshooter handle it, this stupid stuff would end. Movies and Star Trek are not real. What we need is consistency.
We have not that in our country in my lifetime. Too many silly people singing Kumbia running the Country. Total peace is the goal, the dream. It is to be worked towards. Peace, however, not just the absence of a shooting war. Peace will only be attained when evil is destroyed and People are left to live as they please. Don't count on it in our lifetime. Shoot, don't even count on it here, we are not going to be left alone to live our lives as we please, no peace here either. Evil rules.
 

RLENT

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War is about power and as long as man inhabits the planet there will be wars ... its just the way it is ....
Wow ..... what a rather sad and apathetic point of view ....

Of course, it's also a "no-personal-responsibility" viewpoint ..... (if that's "just the way it is", then it means nothing can be done about it, therefore one does not have to take any responsibility for it, because obviously it is totally out of one's control ...... :rolleyes:)
 
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mjolnir131

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The EO Soapbox "Most Utterly Retarded Statement Of The Week"

I could never achieve your daily level of performance in this regard,but thank you for trying to share.

2. Rational thought might not be one of your strong suits.

Something you appear to have never been guilty of, probably the poor public education your proud of

Had a wise English teacher fess up in class one day and told us once we get past school unless your a writer talking to your editor or possibly your boss at work. Outside of those to exception anybody who corrects spelling and English in public is in fact trying to cover for there lack of understanding, your posts appear to a prime example of his statement, you can't refute the message so go after the messenger

What size? well most certainly more than live in Luxembourg so bigger than a small nation,unless you live in a convenient special place like yourself where the V.F.D. has a couple million volunteers.

Where do you see only two options when i clearly give 3 Attack, don't attack and wait to attack. thats it as much as you and half the elite really want it to be more, but there are only 3. there truly is allot less grey in the world than people want to believe.

As for the free trip been there done that, It's why i know what really gets people killed and what doesn't. So easy to be a coward err ..pasifist when you have the strong to protect you(don't bother replying "i never asked for protection" your logic and common sense have already been found wanting, think getting out of the rain)

So we have one group of people that hates us...so whats new about that...many countries hate us but few want to actually kill us...

Heck the Turks hate the Greeks, The Brits hate the Irish, The Spaniards hate the French.

If we didn't give the fanatics a target there would be no killing...

Way back when, if we'd of backed the Arabs instead of the Jews..would we have this Middle East mess?

Oh this goes way past the usually hatred of one country by the next.

We just couldn't keep our nose out of other peoples business.

Oh yes this has worked so well in the past.

Hitler made sure there would be no peace in the Mideast when he used extremist Muslins in the SS, Germany left allot of the mess we have there now. Our elite appear to forget that Jordan snatched Palestine's land not Israel. But that is what being elite is living in a convent world like that.

Because having an empire has become such a bad word we do not try and control anything,Empire form, grow then fall apart while doing so let areas that are not ready to take car of them self grow and learn in a safe environment then the empire falls apart leaving several stronger country's in it's wake British empire prime example(India,USA,Canada etc etc)and in the world today there are quite a few nation incapable of managing there affairs.

Very good Layout you see how cause and effect works unlike the elite
 
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RLENT

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Just let the Layoutshooter handle it, this stupid stuff would end.
Sorry - your crowd has already had their shot - and they made a total mess of it.

What the past and present political establishment and Dulles and his successors in the so-called intelligence community have wrought throughout the world are a very large part of why we are hated.

These jokers were criminals of the worst order - folks of this ilk should be rounded up and put where they can't harm others (save for each other), once the evidence of their ill intentions towards their fellow man becomes evident.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Sorry - your crowd has already had their shot - and they made a total mess of it.

What the past and present political establishment and Dulles and his successors in the so-called intelligence community have wrought throughout the world are a very large part of why we are hated.

These jokers were criminals of the worst order - folks of this ilk should be rounded up and put where they can't harm others (save for each other), once the evidence of their ill intentions towards their fellow man becomes evident.

Boy did they ever mess it up...
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Evil was not invented by mankind. It is silly to think so. Mankind is just the conduit for evil to be released. It can, however, be stopped, if mankind ever chooses to abandon it. Religion, countries etc, have nothing to do with it. Those are just the outlets and the excuses for the acceptance of evil.

I bet you guys had no idea that I could think such profound thoughts, did you? :p
 
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