Amish Girl Killed In Buggy/Truck Accident

Rocketman

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U.S. #60 between Rogersville & Springfield, MO. Was altered? a few years ago.


If you notice, on hwy 60 SE of Springfield, they have widened the shoulders to allow room for the buggies on the shoulder. There are also a lot of signs that caution you to watch for buggies.

Not sure if you meant to have the question mark or not. But, yes they use the shoulder...a wider than normal shoulder (breakdown lane). I don't remember the names of the towns up there. Mansfield was the only one I could think of, but not sure if that's where the changes were made or not, so I left it out.
 
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dieseldiva

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BTW3 howcomes it take a month for a urine/blood test, when a pre employment drug screen takes 16 hours, shipping included ?

(doing my best here not to bash the OP...LoL...)

Wondering the same myself, why so long.....and I've never known you to bash anyone.......yet!:D
 

Monty

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Folks, Schneider has no say in this, he was in police custory and appropriate measures were taken to assure the police department of his impediments, or not.

Lawyer's be ****ed .... at times authority is transfered, in this case to the arresting department, matter of fact it would a DEFENSE if he was not properly tested by the arresting authority.

BTW3 howcomes it take a month for a urine/blood test, when a pre employment drug screen takes 16 hours, shipping included ?

Because there WILL be mega lawsuits over this, and criminal charges. It must be done correctly, this is no pee test yer talking about.
 
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dieseldiva

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A Kentucky State Police drug recognition expert evaluated Bohms, who drives for Schneider National Carrier based in Green Bay, Wis., at Jennie Stuart Medical Center and suspected Bohms of being under the influence of some kind of drug. Blood and urine tests are pending and could take several weeks, according to a Hopkinsville police report.

It seems that it would be in the carrier's best interests to have him tested independently because if there are lawsuits, everyone gets sued. Now, about those lawsuits, do Amish sue people?? I mean, do they use our court system? I have doubt there.
 

cheri1122

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Driver
We don't know whether the Schneider post accident drug screen was done or not, because the article didn't mention it either way. Nor do we know whether the 'drug recognition expert' was called in for a reason, or just routine CYA in an accident involving a commercial truck.
One comment [following the article] was interesting, in that it said the horses can be skittish, and may have caused the buggy to veer into the path of the truck - it's at least a possibility. I've passed dozens of Amish buggies without scaring the horses, but who knows? Learning how it happened might help prevent a repeat - in theory, at least.
Either way, it's more bad PR for truckers, a nightmare [literally] for one trucker, and a tragedy for the family who lost a child. :(
 

skyraider

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US Navy
Come on now,,a 3 year old is dead, a family in shock, and folks in here are talking about road and fuel tax stuff and hoove marks and so on. I'm gonna try and be calm now, but some folks need compassion in here IMHO.

Lets see, an 80,000lb rig runs over the top of a buggy, hmmm. Yep, yep, looks like we should go after the road tax bunch department on this, who in here wants to do this? Not me , got better manners .
 

Dakota

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Its not like the family is going to be reading this thread. Yes it is a tragedy but in my opinion buggies shouldnt be on the road. And yes i feel the same way about mopeds and bicycles. They make the road dangerous when you are trying to pass them. Some area have bike trails and that is a solution

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Dakota

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If this guy was on drugs then not much could have been done. Its a sad story

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Ragman

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It seems that it would be in the carrier's best interests to have him tested independently because if there are lawsuits, everyone gets sued. Now, about those lawsuits, do Amish sue people?? I mean, do they use our court system? I have doubt there.

My guess is, They will forgive him and pray for him.
That is the Amish way.
 

layoutshooter

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My guess is, They will forgive him and pray for him.
That is the Amish way.

Yes it is.

Let's hope that there is a GOOD investigation in this case.

I don't know the solution to the problem that led to this. Country roads, buggies and 18 wheelers are a recipe for problems.

There are large numbers of Amish buggies in the area around our hunting camp in PA. The roads are narrow, twisting and have limited visibility. Low speed limits on them have not stopped these accidents.
 

Turtle

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Then why do we need bike paths/lanes??
We don't need them.

A better question might be, "Why do we have them?"

We have them in large part for the same reasoning that there are some states where it is illegal to talk on a cell phone while fueling, because it might cause an explosion, despite the fact that it has never happened, not even once, that a cell phone caused an explosion. But it seems to make sense, right? A sensible precaution and all that.

On the surface, it makes sense to segregate bicycles from motor traffic, because you'd think it would be safer. Turns out it's not. Segregated bike paths/lanes actually increase accidents except in certain very narrow circumstances. Even cycling groups who have commissioned studies to obtain foundational arguments for more bike paths have been burned by the surprising results.

Montreal is about the only city that has released a study showing an increase in safety because of bike paths, but their study was flawed because they compared relatively comparable parallel roads rather than before-and-after same roads with bike lane construction. In The Netherlands and Denmark, which have the highest rates of cycle usage combined with the best published records for safety (it's amazing how you can manipulate statistics), concludes that their bike path construction resulted in an increase in cycle traffic of 18-20% and a decline in car traffic of 9-10%, contributing to an increase in cycle usage along those routes. However, on those same reconstructed routes accidents and injuries increased by 9-10%. Accidents mid-block decreased considerably, while accidents and injuries increased considerably at intersections.

They stated that in reality the accident rate is lower (even though their own statistics prove otherwise), because as bicycle riders increase, the "likelihood an individual bicyclist will experience an accident goes down as the number of bicycle riders go up." Well, duh, Sherlock.

Wherever they have them, bike lanes at roundabouts are particularly dangerous, resulting in far higher accident rates than bike-pedestrian accidents on sidewalks (which is far higher than in-traffic, on-road accident rates).

Just like Amish buggy accidents, motor vehicle-bike accidents are highest on rural roads and lowest in city traffic, except for intersections, where bike accidents are the most frequent.

Bike paths aren't political, but it's a "makes sense, feels-good" liberal thing if there ever was one. Sounds good, looks good, but doesn't work. That's about as liberal as it gets. Just look at where the bike paths are the most popular. ;)

There are a few bike paths that really and truly are safer. These are the ones that are physically separated from motor traffic, either by a wide median or a physical barrier. Also there are Bike paths that follow independent rights-of-way, which are roads specifically built exclusively for bicyclists (or, mostly in Europe, minor rural roads whose use is otherwise restricted to local motor traffic and agricultural machinery). Extensive interurban exclusive bike path networks can be found in countries such as Denmark, which has had a national system of cycle routes since 1993. Many of these make use of abandoned railway routes. Others, like the Louisville Loop around Louisville, the 110 mile pedestrian and bike path that will eventually encircle the city in a "City of Parks" are constructed specifically for bikes.
 

Dakota

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My guess is, They will forgive him and pray for him.
That is the Amish way.

Then they are stronger than I am. If anyone did anything to one of my children I could not turn the other cheek.

I can't remember all the details but they made a TV movie out of it about the guy who went into an Amish school and killed some of the students before killing himself.
In the movie they showed the Amish visiting the wife of the guy that did the shooting, while I know alot of what was in the movie was just for the movie, it was based on a true story and the Amish probably did visit Her.
I do not think the Amish sue people, it's not there way.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
We don't need them.

A better question might be, "Why do we have them?"

We have them in large part for the same reasoning that there are some states where it is illegal to talk on a cell phone while fueling, because it might cause an explosion, despite the fact that it has never happened, not even once, that a cell phone caused an explosion. But it seems to make sense, right? A sensible precaution and all that.

On the surface, it makes sense to segregate bicycles from motor traffic, because you'd think it would be safer. Turns out it's not. Segregated bike paths/lanes actually increase accidents except in certain very narrow circumstances. Even cycling groups who have commissioned studies to obtain foundational arguments for more bike paths have been burned by the surprising results.

Montreal is about the only city that has released a study showing an increase in safety because of bike paths, but their study was flawed because they compared relatively comparable parallel roads rather than before-and-after same roads with bike lane construction. In The Netherlands and Denmark, which have the highest rates of cycle usage combined with the best published records for safety (it's amazing how you can manipulate statistics), concludes that their bike path construction resulted in an increase in cycle traffic of 18-20% and a decline in car traffic of 9-10%, contributing to an increase in cycle usage along those routes. However, on those same reconstructed routes accidents and injuries increased by 9-10%. Accidents mid-block decreased considerably, while accidents and injuries increased considerably at intersections.

They stated that in reality the accident rate is lower (even though their own statistics prove otherwise), because as bicycle riders increase, the "likelihood an individual bicyclist will experience an accident goes down as the number of bicycle riders go up." Well, duh, Sherlock.

Wherever they have them, bike lanes at roundabouts are particularly dangerous, resulting in far higher accident rates than bike-pedestrian accidents on sidewalks (which is far higher than in-traffic, on-road accident rates).

Just like Amish buggy accidents, motor vehicle-bike accidents are highest on rural roads and lowest in city traffic, except for intersections, where bike accidents are the most frequent.

Bike paths aren't political, but it's a "makes sense, feels-good" liberal thing if there ever was one. Sounds good, looks good, but doesn't work. That's about as liberal as it gets. Just look at where the bike paths are the most popular. ;)

There are a few bike paths that really and truly are safer. These are the ones that are physically separated from motor traffic, either by a wide median or a physical barrier. Also there are Bike paths that follow independent rights-of-way, which are roads specifically built exclusively for bicyclists (or, mostly in Europe, minor rural roads whose use is otherwise restricted to local motor traffic and agricultural machinery). Extensive interurban exclusive bike path networks can be found in countries such as Denmark, which has had a national system of cycle routes since 1993. Many of these make use of abandoned railway routes. Others, like the Louisville Loop around Louisville, the 110 mile pedestrian and bike path that will eventually encircle the city in a "City of Parks" are constructed specifically for bikes.

Eugene, Oregon has the separate bike paths, they used old railways and also where the powerlines are, in addition to along the Willamette river. They also have the paths along side the road with no barracades
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Yes, they did go and visit the wife of the man who shot those kids. Many Amish people still hold strong beliefs. To stick to them in extreme likes this takes a lot of belief and courage of one's convictions.

Just imagine how that truck driver must feel now. No matter what the outcome he will carry this to his grave. Assuming he is a normal person he must feel horrible.
 

Dakota

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Just imagine how that truck driver must feel now. No matter what the outcome he will carry this to his grave. Assuming he is a normal person he must feel horrible.

I agree, wether or not he was under the influence, if he is a normal human he will remember this always.
 

greg334

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Come on now,,a 3 year old is dead, a family in shock, and folks in here are talking about road and fuel tax stuff and hoove marks and so on. I'm gonna try and be calm now, but some folks need compassion in here IMHO.

Lets see, an 80,000lb rig runs over the top of a buggy, hmmm. Yep, yep, looks like we should go after the road tax bunch department on this, who in here wants to do this? Not me , got better manners .


Yep that's my point. Who cares about the road, buggy paths or anything like that, it is sad a 3 year old kid got killed.

This is not PA where there are a lot of twisting two lane roads and blind spots. If I remember right, this is flat ground or slightly hilly and you can see for at least a half of mile a head but nevertheless it is not like PA.

I think that there is also the same requirement in Kentucky as there is in Indiana, the buggy has to have a reflective triangle and after dusk (which this happened at 8pm) needs a light on it.

The real problem is and no one can tell me otherwise, I looks like this guy was not watching where he was going and like the driver who ran into the freeway with all the cars stopped on it back in '95, he was both not paying attention and speeding along trying to make it to the Walmart distribution center within a set time - Schneider's customer. These guy fly because they have to be on site at a specific time and have run me over getting past me to make the exit.

ALSO just an FYI, you have to be in the left lane to make the turn onto the road for Walmart going north from 24, he hit the buggy in the right lane.
 

14Wheeler

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I can't help feeling for Folks who suggest change,in order to save a life. Even tho there's obviously gonna be two sides of a dual lane setup, who'd argue its worth as a means to preserve a life.
This country has spent a great deal more on a lot less important fundings.
 
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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
It would not surprise me if he could not face driving ever again

We had a man on my street where I grew up who hit and killed a kid. It was NOT the fault of the driver, the kid ran out from between parked cars. The man was not speeding and did what he could to avoid the kid. He never drove again and never really got over it.
 
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