Amish Girl Killed In Buggy/Truck Accident

[dieseldiva]

We have bike paths, walking paths, snow mobile paths, horse paths....isn't it past time to consider Amish buggy paths?

Sounds like they've already thrown the book at this driver before all the facts/test results are in.

STORY HERE

 

[layoutshooter]

We have bike paths, walking paths, snow mobile paths, horse paths....isn't it past time to consider Amish buggy paths?

Sounds like they've already thrown the book at this driver before all the facts/test results are in.

STORY HERE

It is hard when cultures at different stages of development, clash. Buggy paths? ONLY if those who CHOSE to run them pay for them.

These accidents, while rare, are always bad.

 

[EnglishLady]

Tragic, whatever the reason

 

[greg334]

It is sad and it is more sad that anyone would think that there needs to be paths for buggies. It isn't the fault of the buggy driver who is legal in their lane while there are more than one lane for these idiot drivers to use.

The driver is at fault, and I would not even consider any defense for his actions or making excuses. It is a four lane divided highway in that area and he had both ample amount of time to SLOW DOWN and MOVE OVER to avoid the accident.

Did you actually see the damage to the truck, it isn't like he hit something slow, he must have been driving fast.

I run roads with buggies every week and I slow down until I know I can pass them, THEN I PASS THEM AS I WOULD IF THEY TOOK THE ENTIRE LANE. Most trucks don't even slow down.

 

[b2boggs]

Did you see driving under influence for the driver. Buggy path won't help with drinking and driving.
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[layoutshooter]

Did you see driving under influence for the driver. Buggy path won't help with drinking and driving.
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There have been many cases of "drunk" buggy drivers. There were several every year where I used to live in PA.

 

[Dakota]

Sad story, if driver was under the influence, then throw the book at him.
I live among the Amish here, luckily our Amish have lights on the buggies, so we can see them well at night.
I have seen many Amish "driving" the buggies drunk also
The horses tear up the roads pretty bad, we have deep groves from the horses hoofs and make driving an experience...my problem is that they use our roads but don't pay fuel tax that fix our roads

 

[layoutshooter]

Sad story, if driver was under the influence, then throw the book at him.
I live among the Amish here, luckily our Amish have lights on the buggies, so we can see them well at night.
I have seen many Amish "driving" the buggies drunk also
The horses tear up the roads pretty bad, we have deep groves from the horses hoofs and make driving an experience...my problem is that they use our roads but don't pay fuel tax that fix our roads

I am not sure if it is the horses or the steel on the wheels that tear up the roads.

They should have to be paying road taxes. So much per pound of hay?

 

[moose]

Ironically,
the driver is being held at a Christian jail...
& painting your trucks flash orange won't make you see black objects better .

 

[moose]

BTW, From the story:
"A Kentucky State Police drug recognition expert evaluated Bohms, who drives for Schneider National Carrier based in Green Bay, Wis., at Jennie Stuart Medical Center and suspected Bohms of being under the influence of some kind of drug. Blood and urine tests are pending and could take several weeks, according to a Hopkinsville police report."

looks like Schneider National did not follow protocol to protect itself and it's drivers, incase of a fatality accident .
don't know about other carriers, but the first thing for a safety dep. to do if an injury accident happens, is to use one of the prepaid nationwide drug testing services AT THE SCENE .the fact that the urine and blood was taken only some time later at the hospital will play a big part in the results of a civil case to follow. and the carrier will have a hard time proving it's driver was clean at the time of the accident.

BTW2, next time you have nothing better to do, call Schneider's and try to report an accident ,(180044drive) it's mindblowing...

 

[greg334]

I bet those who own those buggies are paying more in taxes than most truck drivers.

 

[Dakota]

I am not sure if it is the horses or the steel on the wheels that tear up the roads.

They should have to be paying road taxes. So much per pound of hay?

I think it's the hoofs, because every road around here has the grooves right where the horses run, not where the wheels are
Some of the grooves are quite deep and when a car or truck gets in them it can get scary especially in the winter time

 

[dieseldiva]

It is sad and it is more sad that anyone would think that there needs to be paths for buggies. It isn't the fault of the buggy driver who is legal in their lane while there are more than one lane for these idiot drivers to use.

You're halfway there, Greg. Finally a thread you approve of but you still see the need to bash the OP.

I did not say anywhere that the buggy driver was in any way at fault here. My thoughts on having buggy paths was for their safety in this ever-increasing speed driven world we live in.

In this country of spending tax payer's dollars on the ridiculous, I have no problem with my dollars going for the paths nor do I have a problem with whether or not the Amish do or do not pay taxes. These are peace loving people that ask only to be left alone, we've done and are doing far worse with our give-away programs to some out there that have found a career in taking, taking, and taking some more.

As for the driver, of course it was his fault. My only question concerning him is that it would seem that the authorities are over charging this individual i.e. "murder and under the influence". As Moose said, he should have been tested right then and there although wouldn't the burden of proof be on the state that he actually was impaired rather than the carrier's responsibility to prove that he was not?

P.S. to Greg....it's even "more sad" that I think there needs to be buggy paths?......REALLY??

 

[Turtle]

Amish buggy paths? We have those already. They're called roads. A few roads are built exclusively for the horseless carriage, these are called Interstate Highways, or "horseless carriage paths", if you will. But all the rest of them are for carriages of all types.

 

[dieseldiva]

Amish buggy paths? We have those already. They're called roads. A few roads are built exclusively for the horseless carriage, these are called Interstate Highways, or "horseless carriage paths", if you will. But all the rest of them are for carriages of all types.

Then why do we need bike paths/lanes??

 

[Rocketman]

It is sad and it is more sad that anyone would think that there needs to be paths for buggies. It isn't the fault of the buggy driver who is legal in their lane while there are more than one lane for these idiot drivers to use.

The driver is at fault, and I would not even consider any defense for his actions or making excuses. It is a four lane divided highway in that area and he had both ample amount of time to SLOW DOWN and MOVE OVER to avoid the accident.

Did you actually see the damage to the truck, it isn't like he hit something slow, he must have been driving fast.

I run roads with buggies every week and I slow down until I know I can pass them, THEN I PASS THEM AS I WOULD IF THEY TOOK THE ENTIRE LANE. Most trucks don't even slow down.

I'm not familiar with the area, but I didn't see anything in the article stating how much reaction time he had. Is it not possible that he crested a hill and they were so close that he couldn't react in time? Maybe you know since you know the area, but are you sure of exactly where the accident happened? I'm pretty sure that area has a lot of hills?

We don't have any buggies where I live, but I was just southeast of Springfield, Mo one day and crested a hill on a two lane road (in a car, not a truck). There was a buggy really close. That was a scary moment, but I managed to get slowed down in time.

I think there should be actions taken in areas where buggies are common. If you notice, on hwy 60 SE of Springfield, they have widened the shoulders to allow room for the buggies on the shoulder. There are also a lot of signs that caution you to watch for buggies. Their was an Amish family killed up there a few years back also...by a drunk driver. That accident is what provoked the actions to make a safer travel lane for the buggies.

As far as the buggies having the right of way or having the right to be on the road, I'm not sure. I think they have a right to travel where they want, but if I were to drive my truck at 5 mph down a four lane road, sooner or later, I would get stopped for impeding traffic flow or failure to maintain minimum speed, etc..... would I not?

In accidents like this, it really doesn't matter who had the right of way or who was right or wrong. It is a very tragic and sad accident. I, for one, think that the state should do anything possible to give the Amish a safer alternative.

 

[BillChaffey]

U.S. #60 between Rogersville & Springfield, MO. Was altered? a few years ago. The original reason was for a Buggy path in the middle of the median. The Amish in the area still use the break down lane. The new construction was between Seymour & Rogersville.

On a second note in the early 2000's at least two accidents involving trucks & buggies took at least three lives in the same area. No truck drivers were charged as I recall. At least one was a one milk truck that picked up at local Dairies. The truck ran over a buggy on a county road.

 

[Monty]

It would be rather hard for Schneider to have him tested since he was remanded into police custory, wouldn't ya think?

 

[moose]

wouldn't the burden of proof be on the state that he actually was impaired rather than the carrier's responsibility to prove that he was not?

it is NOT the Carrier RESPONSIBILITY, but is certainly in it's best interest .
(wanna bet that uncuffed drivers did not took anything from the time of the accident, and the hospital ?, or in the hospital ?)
more so, curtsey of CSA, ambulance chasers blood sucking lawyers can make a career out of such accident. going after the shipper. (or any future shippers to be in business with the carrier.)
the state accident investigation will play a role at the criminal case, but in the civil court, it's all a defenders bench.

BTW3 howcomes it take a month for a urine/blood test, when a pre employment drug screen takes 16 hours, shipping included ?

(doing my best here not to bash the OP...LoL...)

 

[Dakota]

BTW3 howcomes it take a month for a urine/blood test, when a pre employment drug screen takes 16 hours, shipping included ?

(doing my best here not to bash the OP...LoL...)

I was wondering the same thing