'American Taliban' Lindh fights group prison prayer ban

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
BBC

American-born Taliban fighter John Walker Lindh has testified in a federal court that restrictions on group prayer for Muslim prisoners are "absurd".

Lindh has joined a legal challenge filed by two other Muslim prisoners to a ban on daily group prayers at the federal prison in Terre Haute, Indiana.

The 31-year-old is one of 24 Muslim inmates at the facility.

He is serving a 20-year sentence for aiding the Taliban after his capture in Afghanistan in November 2001.

The prison warden banned group prayers - except on Friday and during the holy month of Ramadan - after Muslim prisoners engaged in prayer allegedly ignored a fire alarm in 2007.

Gatherings by other faiths have also been limited at the Communications Management Unit, which opened in 2006.

Lindh, who was dubbed the American Taliban by media, testified on Monday in a US district court in Indianapolis that the policy was violating his right to religious expression.

Wearing a prison uniform and a white prayer cap, he said his school of Islam requires group prayer up to five times a day.

"I believe it's obligatory," he said. "If you're required to do it in congregation and you don't, then that's a sin."

He added: "There are no legitimate security risks by allowing us to pray in congregations. It's absolutely absurd."

Father's pride

The government alleges in court documents that in February, Lindh delivered a radical sermon in Arabic to other Muslim prisoners.

Lindh, who converted to Islam as a teenager, was defiant when a government lawyer asked him why he had not stood as the judge entered the courtroom.

"It's against my religion," said Lindh, who was in ankle chains and had his arms tightly bound. "This procedure of standing up for people is unacceptable."

He told government lawyers: "I don't recognise any law but the Sharia of Islam. There is no compromise."

His father, Frank Lindh, who was reportedly in court, told ABC News that he was "really proud" of his son.

"It was a really well informed testimony," said Mr Lindh. "It shows how much depth of knowledge he has about Islam
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Amazing. A traitor, a person who threw out his country and tried to kill those he was raised with now trying to claim his "rights" under that countries laws. Just amazing.

I say we should treat him like a traitor should be treated.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Too bad so sad. You loose all kinds of rights when you go to prison, including the right to do as you please while you're in there. Group anything, including group prayer, is a privilege, and when it's abused it gets taken away.
 

layoutshooter

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I LOVE the last bit about his father being "proud" of his son. His son is a TRAITOR. He raised a TRAITOR and is PROUD of him? What a crew that family must be.
 

mikefl

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I'm sure he will get his wish. As a person in that standing of the United States needs to be pulled from society and tied up and bound. While the Christians throw Holy Water on him at prayer. Then bless him with a hard knock of the good book.:)

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pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
What part of not being free doesn't Lindh get...you're in prison not club med! Much as I believe in freedom of religion, you lose those rights in jail.

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
What part of not being free doesn't Lindh get...you're in prison not club med! Much as I believe in freedom of religion, you lose those rights in jail.
mmmm, no, you don't lose freedom of religion in jail. We extend it to even those in false religions because we would want freedom to practice ours if we were in their jail.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
I'm sure he will get his wish. As a person in that standing of the United States needs to be pulled from society and tied up and bound. While the Christians throw Holy Water on him at prayer. Then bless him with a hard knock of the good book.:)
Let's try a bacon enema instead.
 

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
AMonger he's not being prevented from practicing his religion just group prayer...I have an issue with banning religion but allowing daily group meetings or prayer is a safety risk.

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be
 

pandora2112

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And I see nothing false with Islam...it's just a different path than mine. I have a couple of great Islamic friends.

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
AMonger he's not being prevented from practicing his religion just group prayer...I have an issue with banning religion but allowing daily group meetings or prayer is a safety risk.

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be

I agree with that part of it. I don't think any prisoners should congregate for any reason, except maybe in the final months of their sentence to adjust to social contact, if they've earned it. I just object to the notion that has been raised that prison means a general loss of freedom of religion.
 

AMonger

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And I see nothing false with Islam...it's just a different path than mine. I have a couple of great Islamic friends.

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be

It's false. Plain as day. I'd love to get into that with you, but I'm sure others wouldn't love it.
 

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
And wasn't saying prison means loss of freedom of religion, a loss of freedoms like group meetings etc. Big difference!

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be
 

skyraider

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US Navy
Why are we giving this clown any extra news comments anyway? Many prisoners have gripes and they go on their way. So I don't know this clown, don't care if he lives or dies, don't want to know his idiot parents and why as a traitor wasn't he shot anyway. Did they cut off his beard, wash his feet for him too? Again our prison system is full of pxxyies running the system and on it goes.
 

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
Sorry AMonger but bite me...really it's false, why bc it isn't Christian? I'm misstepping? No I'm just not a sheep and don't really care for those who think if it's not their religion it must be wrong or false.

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be
 

Turtle

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"Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion –-several of them."

'He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven."

- Mark Twain
 
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