American congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in the head

[layoutshooter]

Federal law takes primacy over state law; likewise, in a criminal event such as this mass shooting, both federal and state crimes are alleged. When both state charges and federal charges stem from the same event, federal jurisdiction gets first dibs unless the feds, at their discretion, allow the state to prosecute first.

Yes, I understand how it is, the question is, should it be that way? That is not how the power should run. The States should have first shot, then lastly, the feds. I believe that the Feds are overstepping their bounds. Having the Director of the FBI leading this himself, to me is proof of that.

 

[layoutshooter]

The Congresswoman is a United States employee, not a state employee.

The officials aren't "putting a federal tag" on the crime....it's the law.

I don't agree. She is employed by the People of Arizona to represent THEIR wishes. She is there to do THEIR bidding, not that of the Federal Government or the Democratic Party. She in NO WAY represents the Federal Government.

 

[chefdennis]

You knew it was coming!! More laws....even an unconstitutional one..I don't think either will see the light of day, but you knew the wackjobs would make ther way to the front of the pack...

Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill

Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

Shooting prompts legislation to protect lawmakers, officials

Shooting prompts legislation to protect lawmakers, officials – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

 

[dieseldiva]

I don't agree. She is employed by the People of Arizona to represent THEIR wishes. She is there to do THEIR bidding, not that of the Federal Government or the Democratic Party. She in NO WAY represents the Federal Government.

Think it any way you like but the feds get the first shot with this thing. As usual, what we think to be "right", isn't always the law.

 

[aristotle]

Yes, I understand how it is, the question is, should it be that way? That is not how the power should run. The States should have first shot, then lastly, the feds. I believe that the Feds are overstepping their bounds. Having the Director of the FBI leading this himself, to me is proof of that.

Well, yes... it should be that way. It's called federalism. We have a federation of 50 states which by covenant are subservient to the central governing authority (the Federal or national government). Both the state of Arizona and the federal government will proceed to build their respective cases against the shooter. The Feds will proceed with prosecuting the federal charges as the state of Arizona will proceed with the alleged state crimes. The Feds as already explained have primacy.

 

[layoutshooter]

You knew it was coming!! More laws....even an unconstitutional one..I don't think either will see the light of day, but you knew the wackjobs would make ther way to the front of the pack...

Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill

Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

Shooting prompts legislation to protect lawmakers, officials

Shooting prompts legislation to protect lawmakers, officials – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

The left has been just waiting for the "right crime" to further push their destruction of the Bill of Rights. More to come soon.

 

[layoutshooter]

Well, yes... it should be that way. It's called federalism. We have a federation of 50 states which by covenant are subservient to the central governing authority (the Federal or national government). Both the state of Arizona and the federal government will proceed to build their respective cases against the shooter. The Feds will proceed with prosecuting the federal charges as the state of Arizona will proceed with the alleged state crimes. The Feds as already explained have primacy.

In our system the flow of power is as follows: (you may skip God if you are a non-believer) God, to the People, to the States, to the Federal Government. All levels of government, local, State then Federal are subservient to the People. The People are not subservient to ANY level of government. All levels of government exist only to serve the People. They are not there to control, rule or overpower the People. The People hold the only true power in the United States.

 

[LDB]

McCarthy is a witch on a witch hunt against guns. She needs to ride her broom into the sunset or maybe stand under the sprinklers.

 

[layoutshooter]

She fits right in with the left, just as Obama is a champion of doing away with much of the Bill of Rights.

 

[aristotle]

In our system the flow of power is as follows: (you may skip God if you are a non-believer) God, to the People, to the States, to the Federal Government. All levels of government, local, State then Federal are subservient to the People. The People are not subservient to ANY level of government. All levels of government exist only to serve the People. They are not there to control, rule or overpower the People. The People hold the only true power in the United States.

In an esoteric abstract, ultimate power resides with the people. Believe this: legal authority resides with the government. Try flaunting governmental authority and let me know how it goes.

 

[layoutshooter]

In an esoteric abstract, ultimate power resides with the people. Believe this: legal authority resides with the government. Try flaunting governmental authority and let me know how it goes.

Then we are no less subjects than any other ruled people. That is NOT what this country is about nor was the Constitution written to provide power to the government. It was written to LIMIT the power of government.

I submit that the Federal government has more than overstepped their legal bounds and it is the duty of the People and the States to bring them back into line. The only way the Federal government can win this power struggle is by two means, the use of illegal force and/or the People surrendering their rightful power.

I for one, will not surrender what is rightfully my birthright and will fight their use of illegal force. What you might chose is yours alone.

 

[aristotle]

Layout... without a government-issued birth certificate you aren't officially alive. Without a government-issued death certificate you aren't officially dead. The government owns your hiney from beginning to end. SUBMIT! *L*

 

[layoutshooter]

Layout... without a government-issued birth certificate you aren't officially alive. Without a government-issued death certificate you aren't officially dead. The government owns your hiney from beginning to end. SUBMIT! *L*

My birth certificate was NOT issued by the Feds. It was issued by the Wayne County, Michigan. You can submit if you like, I Sir, will NOT! I was born and FREE MAN and will die one.

I have taken an oath, on multiple occasions to "Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States, from ALL enemies, both foreign AND domestic"

Any person or government who attacks the Constitution is my sworn enemy. Oaths should never be taken lightly and they are always taken for life.

 

[clcooper]

What is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights . Why do we have them . How did we get them . how many died for them .

what about the Indians what happened to them .

why did Jesse James do what he did .

what has the rich white man do to every thing they have touched

why did the Boston Tea Party happen for

 

[aristotle]

Born a free man? What does that really mean?

 

[layoutshooter]

Born a free man? What does that really mean?

It is a "mind set". It is the idea that I, and only I, am in control of my life and it's destiny. It is the idea that this Nation was base on. That EVERY MAN is his own. That NO MAN is subject to any person, group of people or government. Only I know what is best for me and will live as I chose. The Constitution was written to insure that idea. A MAN can only be ruled if he choses. A MAN can only be subject to another if he choses to be subjected. The Country we call the United States is NOT defined by our borders nor controlled by our government. The United States is an "idea". The idea that MAN is born with the RIGHT to control his own life.

 

[layoutshooter]

What is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights . Why do we have them . How did we get them . how many died for them .

what about the Indians what happened to them .

why did Jesse James do what he did .

what has the rich white man do to every thing they have touched

why did the Boston Tea Party happen for

I do not answer for others actions, only those of my own.

 

[aristotle]

Yet, in reality we all are subject to government. What would become of man in the absence of government?

 

[layoutshooter]

Yet, in reality we all are subject to government. What would become of man in the absence of government?

FREE!! Free to live as Man is meant to live. We are the government and we are here to control it. You might be subject to the government but that is by choice. Your choice. That choice is not mine.

Great discussion, is it not? Discussions like this will to be controlled if we allow it to happen. What fun would that be?

 

[aristotle]

The Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner, ranted wildly about government. His ramblings show he had real disdain for governmental authority and refused to acknowledge its dominion. Should young Mr. Loughner have been given more or less freedom? He managed to purchase a handgun legally and execute a direct attack on the United States government by attempting to kill a US Congresswoman and the actual killing of a federal judge. One can conclude if Mr. Loughner actually respected government's necessary role in our lives, the massacre never would have happened. But it did... and now we all will see government clamp down harder on our diminishing rights as a huge overreaction surely comes our way.