American congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in the head

letzrockexpress

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Thi whole thing is tragic, but those that are already placing blame including the sheriff are nuts. This childs death while not worst then any of the others that were killed by this idiot shows that Rep Gifford was not the reason , she just provided a highly visable target....this was not political and no "Media person" was or iss the cause of this.....

And for what it is worth, I read that if he leaned in any political direction, it was "liberal and left"...

Jared Loughner Classmate Caitie Parker Says He Met Gabrielle Giffords Previously


This is a horrible tragedy. Whether he is Liberal or not is hardly important...Oh, and I'd like to know how that EO member, the little fella, feels now who, last summer, ranted that "any congressman who voted for Obamacare should be shot in the head"
 
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layoutshooter

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The Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner, ranted wildly about government. His ramblings show he had real disdain for goernmental authority and refused to acknowledge its dominion. Should young Mr. Loughner have been given more or less freedom? He managed to purchase a handgun legally and execute a direct attack on the United States government by killing a US Congresswoman and a federal judge. One can conclude if young Mr. Loughner actually respected government's necessary role in our lives, the massacre never would have happened. But it did... and now we all will see government clamp down harder on our diminishing rights as a huge overreaction surely comes our way.

He DID NOT commit a "direct attack" on the government of the United States. He attacked several individuals, one of which was employed by the People of the United States, the judge, and one who was employed by the people of ONE congressional district in Arizona. He also attacked several other people.

This is the crime that the left has been waiting for. It will be their "excuse" to make an attempt to take out the Bill of Rights. You will soon see just who in Congress will live up to their oath to "protect and defend" our Constitution and who will not. We already know where many, including Obama, stand on our Constitution.

Anyone who voted FOR Obama care is opposed to our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

As to the alleged shooter, he should be prosecuted under Arizona law, and if found competent to stand trail must do so.

The role of government in our lives is narrowly defined in the Constitution and MUST be restricted to those clearly defined roles.

Tell me, do you honestly believe that 537 people, many of whom are not the sharpest tacks in the box, should have power OVER 300 million? That makes little sense to me.

Last I heard the congresswoman was still alive, did you hear otherwise?

The Federal government has NO LEGAL authority to restrict firearm or ammunition purchases. The Second Amendment insures that the People have the RIGHT to own them. That right is there to insure the power of the People over the government.
 

aristotle

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My mistake. I should have said the attempted murder of a US Congresswoman. She has survived the attempt so far.

BTW, Congresswoman Giffords is paid her salary from the US Treasury. She is literally, and figuratively, one embodiment of the United States government.
 

layoutshooter

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And now I must go to bed. I have to get some sleep to prepare for a run that I REALLY hope that they postpone or cancel. It does not look like it will be safe to run this load. We will have to debate another day.
 

layoutshooter

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My mistake. I should have said the attempted murder of a US Congresswoman. She has survived the attempt so far.

BTW, Congresswoman Giffords is paid her salary from the US Treasury. She is literally, and figuratively, one embodiment of the United States government.

That too is wrong. Congress SHOULD be paid by the district that employees them, to retain control over them. Senators should be paid by the State so the States can retain control and ONLY the President and Vice President be paid by the U.S. Treasury.
 

aristotle

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We need basic American civics to be an integral part of every US middle school curriculum. Then repeat it for high school. Misconceptions abound.
 

greg334

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We need basic American civics to be an integral part of every US middle school curriculum. Then repeat it for high school. Misconceptions abound.

I agree but what version is the question?

The one that says we are a democracy?

She is an employee of the people of the state, chosen to be one by the people of her state and it is our tax money that fund her employment, so in essence this is not an attack on the federal government or on the US but on an individual who was directly elected by the people of her district.

It should be a state matter because it happened within the state, which the feds have no real control over. They can't invade the state by the limitations set forth in the Constitution and are limited to preside over a small piece of property called the District of Columbia.

The real issue isn't all of that but the media coverage which is skewed at best. Wall to wall coverage about this event while along the border and in another near by city, there is a war going on and the federal government refuses to do anything about the border which the direct cause of these crimes and is in their control.
 

layoutshooter

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"She is an employee of the people of the state, chosen to be one by the people of her state"

I disagree with this, Greg. She is an employee of the people of the congressional district that she represents and that district only.

I would like to change how we pay congress. Each district to pay the wages of the person they elect to help maintain control over them. That would at least help to insure that reps vote as their districts WANT them to, not how their party wants them to.

Senators should be paid by the State that they represent. For the same reason.
 

greg334

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Well splitting hairs layout, she is in fact working for the people of her district but she and they both have to follow the rules of the state and she in many ways represents the state she is from - you don't hear Rep Conyers, district 1 michigan (d) but rather Rep Conyers, Michigan (d)

What I would like to see has nothing to do with the way they get paid but rather a two fold change in how they operate starting with the repeal of the direct elections of senators and the limitations of congressman's budget - which should to be approved by the states they all represent and paid for by the state. OH and a recall amendment. We don't have a representation of the states, which is the real problem with a lot of these agencies like the EPA and BLM running amok.
 

layoutshooter

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Well splitting hairs layout, she is in fact working for the people of her district but she and they both have to follow the rules of the state and she in many ways represents the state she is from - you don't hear Rep Conyers, district 1 michigan (d) but rather Rep Conyers, Michigan (d)

What I would like to see has nothing to do with the way they get paid but rather a two fold change in how they operate starting with the repeal of the direct elections of senators and the limitations of congressman's budget - which should to be approved by the states they all represent and paid for by the state. OH and a recall amendment. We don't have a representation of the states, which is the real problem with a lot of these agencies like the EPA and BLM running amok.

I can see what you are saying.
 

greg334

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See here it is, we are asked to have a national moment of silence for the Victims of this event but today we lost a real hero and that information is buried because of this stuff - Dick Winters.

The media is taking all of this to great heights.
 

layoutshooter

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See here it is, we are asked to have a national moment of silence for the Victims of this event but today we lost a real hero and that information is buried because of this stuff - Dick Winters.

The media is taking all of this to great heights.


Today's youth don't care about WWII. Shoot I have a nephew who considers my Dad, his grandfather a "terrorist" for fighting for the United States in WWII. There is a REAL lack of history education in this country to say the least. There would not be that much mention if this had not be going on and none if not for the TV series. Men, and women of that caliber are dieing every day now. There is hardly a mention of it.
 

Poorboy

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Some good news is that she is holding her own but still listed in critical condition and that there isn't anymore swelling of her brain:)
 
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