American congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in the head

greg334 · Jan 8, 2011

Honestly Brisco the wall to wall coverage of this is rather too much anyways. If the sheriff wants to spout off about something, I don't care in the least.

What I do worry about however is the need to treat this as something different from any other crime where there were people hurt or killed. SO what if the person was a congressman, that should not have a bearing on how the crime is treated and the same goes for the judge. The kid on the other hand is a different issue and it goes right back to my asking why is this any different than any other crime in Tucson?

Unfortunately we will see more security around those who we elect and less access given to us.

Brisco · Jan 8, 2011

He was basically blaming the "News Agencies" for this tragedy that took place today. He talked about the hate being brought forth amongst certain "TV & RADIO" shows that could have triggered the killings from this man. We all know when RADIO is mentioned, it always refers to the Conservative Talk Shows that dominate the airwaves.

I am quite sure his comments will be brought forth on shows here and there all week. Trust me, you'll hear all about it. He subliminally spoke more about his political beliefs than he did about what happened today. Just about every question that was asked about what happened today was answered with "I can't disclose that information, that's under investigation, or I don't know".

A farce is all it was, period.

aristotle · Jan 8, 2011

I watched the news conference with the Pima County Sheriff. The sheriff's left-wing tirade was pure political grandstanding which did more harm than good.

Brisco · Jan 8, 2011

Just as I thought..........

Geraldo Rivera, a Liberal on FOXNews, just started his Sat night show with the Political Comments from that Pima County Sheriff.

This is going to be interesting...............

OntarioVanMan · Jan 9, 2011

Dallas Green's granddaughter dies in Arizona shooting

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...nddaughter-dies-in-Arizona-sho?urn=mlb-305133

chefdennis · Jan 9, 2011

Thi whole thing is tragic, but those that are already placing blame including the sheriff are nuts. This childs death while not worst then any of the others that were killed by this idiot shows that Rep Gifford was not the reason , she just provided a highly visable target....this was not political and no "Media person" was or iss the cause of this.....

And for what it is worth, I read that if he leaned in any political direction, it was "liberal and left"...

Jared Loughner Classmate Caitie Parker Says He Met Gabrielle Giffords Previously

and "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal.

Poorboy · Jan 9, 2011

According to Newsmax some moron Dumocrat is trying to Blame Sarah Palin and the Tea party for the shooting

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2011

There is stupidity going back and forth on this and will for a while. We must be careful. There will be a big push by many in the Federal Government to use this as an excuse to further curtail our RIGHTS under the Constitution. There will be suggestions that certain types of free speech and gun rights be further restricted.

greg334 · Jan 9, 2011

It isn't just one stupid democrat, a number of them came out and said her hatred put the cross hairs on Gifford and others. I find it ironic when you have democrats and talk show hosts (Randi Rhodes anyone?) who are calling for the killing of a president on the air.

I see this as one of them events that will have a reaction that is uncalled for. Already some congressmen are asking for body guards but I think we need to actually do nothing.

The problem for me is the issue that this is a congressman, and therefore someone special when she isn't. I'm not trying to take anything away from the crime but putting into the perspective that it should be in. The treatment this event is getting should be the same treatment that other events should get - like the kidnapping of people in Tuscon and Phoenix.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2011

Our so called elected officials have the idea that they are more important the we are. Not so. They work for us.

Our government is becoming far more intrusive every day. They keep doing what ever they feel that they can get away with to override, circumvent or eliminate the Constitution. From Obama Care to the Fairness Doctrine. They have yet to learn that the more they squeeze us the more we will slip through their fingers. More freedom, not less, less government, not more is the only answer. They are the cause of it all.

greg334 · Jan 9, 2011

Whoa there layout,

The point I'm trying to make is that crime happens everyday and whether or not giffords is a congressman should not matter one bit but it does from the media falling all over the place about it to the law enforcement groups spending a lot of time on it. I really don't think that this should even be a federal crime but one that the state should prosecute the guy and death for him is justified by the killing of the child alone.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2011

greg334 said:
Whoa there layout,

The point I'm trying to make is that crime happens everyday and whether or not giffords is a congressman should not matter one bit but it does from the media falling all over the place about it to the law enforcement groups spending a lot of time on it. I really don't think that this should even be a federal crime but one that the state should prosecute the guy and death for him is justified by the killing of the child alone.

I know what you are saying I totally agree. I was just trying point out some of the reasons this occurs.

I don't know what penalties should be in store for this man. It IS entirely a State issue but an arrogant Federal Government will take this over. There seems to be many questions about the sanity of the accused shooter.

dieseldiva · Jan 9, 2011

layoutshooter said:
I don't know what penalties should be in store for this man. It IS entirely a State issue but an arrogant Federal Government will take this over. There seems to be many questions about the sanity of the accused shooter.

No, it ISN'T a "state issue".....he killed a FEDERAL judge.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2011

dieseldiva said:
No, it ISN'T a "state issue".....he killed a FEDERAL judge.

That is the discussion, is the death of that judge any more "important" than the death of that 9 year old girl? Should crimes against federal judges, congressmen or presidents be considered "worse" than those against the citizens that employ those people?

This was a senseless crime alegedally committed by a person who could be insane. It is tragic but is it any MORE tragic then any other senseless murder, kidnapping or rape? What makes it so if it is?

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2011

dieseldiva said:
No, it ISN'T a "state issue".....he killed a FEDERAL judge.

That is the discussion, is the death of that judge any more "important" than the death of that 9 year old girl? Should crimes against federal judges, congressmen or presidents be considered "worse" than those against the citizens that employ those people?

This was a senseless crime alegedally committed by a person who could be insane. It is tragic but is it any MORE tragic then any other senseless murder, kidnapping or rape? What makes it so if it is?

dieseldiva · Jan 9, 2011

layoutshooter said:
That is the discussion, is the death of that judge any more "important" than the death of that 9 year old girl? Should crimes against federal judges, congressmen or presidents be considered "worse" than those against the citizens that employ those people?

This was a senseless crime alegedally committed by a person who could be insane. It is tragic but is it any MORE tragic then any other senseless murder, kidnapping or rape? What makes it so if it is?

I understand what the discussion is, I was correcting you in that it ISN'T a state issue, that's all.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2011

dieseldiva said:
I understand what the discussion is, I was correcting you in that it ISN'T a state issue, that's all.

Buy WHY? The crime took place in Arizona. The victims occupation should not, at least in my opinion, matter. The former speaker of the house said that this was an attack on the Government of the United States, it was not. It was a crime committed by one person against many, not connected other than by an event. The person might even be insane. A Federal judge's life, in my opinion, is no more important that anyone else who fell victim that day.

greg334 · Jan 9, 2011

The judge wasn't the target, the intended target was the congressman who is part of the state. Again whether or not the guy is a judge should not come into play, it was a crime committed outside of the District of Columbia (which is the feds real jurisdiction) and on state soil, so it should be a state case.

I think I can add to this so you may understand it a bit better and it has little to do with the horrid crime itself; If you all are going to be talking about how the feds are encroaching into our lives, or how they screw with our rights, remember that they are limited in what they actually can do. By putting a "federal" tag on the crime, it gives them the right away to pretty much do a lot of things unless the states enforce their laws and the constitution. This goes back to a discussion I listened to by legal scholars who question the validity of federal law enforcement and their roll inside the states. Many of those guys seem to be hinting (strongly) that this is one way around the military deployment with the borders of the states.

aristotle · Jan 9, 2011

layoutshooter said:
That is the discussion, is the death of that judge any more "important" than the death of that 9 year old girl? Should crimes against federal judges, congressmen or presidents be considered "worse" than those against the citizens that employ those people?

This was a senseless crime alegedally committed by a person who could be insane. It is tragic but is it any MORE tragic then any other senseless murder, kidnapping or rape? What makes it so if it is?

Federal law takes primacy over state law; likewise, in a criminal event such as this mass shooting, both federal and state crimes are alleged. When both state charges and federal charges stem from the same event, federal jurisdiction gets first dibs unless the feds, at their discretion, allow the state to prosecute first.