Abortion and women

[Turtle]

Are you serious??? So your saying we should only be more excepting if there percentage of population was higher. How about being a little more open minded because they are tax paying Americans and not to mention human beings. That's how I look at it.

Pedophiles, serial killers and people who hump sheep are also tax paying American human beings, so you might want to rethink your logic on that one. What we have is 2% of the population forcing acceptance of abnormal behavior onto the other 98% of the population. If it was 40 or 50 percent then it would be normal and everyone else should be more accepting, but it's not. At best all that happens is people tolerate homosexuality, but it will never be accepted, much less embraced, as normal. Because it's not.

 

[Windsor]

Asking to have the right isn't shoving in your life. They shouldn't even have to ask.

 

[Windsor]

Really turtle? I expected a different response from you, I'm disappointed. And pedophiles and serial killers are criminals. I don't think ppl of the same sex that want the right to get married fall into the same category, wtf!!! I don't think same sex couples are asking anyone to accept it there just asking for the right. Big difference. You can "accept" Whatever you feel like accepting. Wasn't that long ago that interracial couples didn't have the "right" to be married in most of the country but that seems kinda silly now don't it. You or someone els may not "accept" interracial marriage but fortunately they now have the right.

 

[LDB]

Wanting acceptance is one thing. Disliking it when someone doesn't accept them is one thing. Putting people out of business when they refuse to accept is an entirely different thing. If that isn't shoving it in people's faces then what is? Me thinks thou doest protest too much.

 

[aristotle]

Really turtle? I expected a different response from you, I'm disappointed. And pedophiles and serial killers are criminals. I don't think ppl of the same sex that want the right to get married fall into the same category, wtf!!! I don't think same sex couples are asking anyone to accept it there just asking for the right. Big difference. You can "accept" Whatever you feel like accepting. Wasn't that long ago that interracial couples didn't have the "right" to be married in most of the country but that seems kinda silly now don't it. You or someone els may not "accept" interracial marriage but fortunately they now have the right.

Interracial marriage has nothing to do with same-sex attraction. Interracial marriages have been happening for thousands of years because they are true marriages between a man and a woman.

 

[Windsor]

Interracial marriage has nothing to do with same-sex attraction. Interracial marriages have been happening for thousands of years because they are true marriages between a man and a woman.

I didn't say it had anything to do with it, dont put words in my mouth. I was talking about ppl not having rights that they should have and I used interracial marriage as an example.

 

[aristotle]

I didn't say it had anything to do with it, dont put words in my mouth. I was talking about ppl not having rights that they should have and I used interracial marriage as an example.

Marriage is a heterosexual union between a man and a woman, always has been. Homosexuals have no claim of a right to a heterosexual institution. Marriage does not belong to homosexuals and it isn't theirs to change. Why is this difficult to understand?

 

[Turtle]

Homosexuals have always had exactly the same right as anyone else to get married. Many have been married, in fact. They weren't asking for a right, which they already had, they demanded acceptance for a special right just for them, an acceptance that included being able to redefine for the rest of society the term "marriage."

 

[mrgoodtude]

According to tude, you have no right to kill a baby.. Don't care if you believe in God.not one ioda. I am sure tho that a baby didn't ask stupid folk to procreate.. happens, you drinking with a hottie, she baloons, Take care of your Biz
Peace (I gotta go change a diaper) ..

 

[mrgoodtude]

No seriously, there is a woman of color, sz I'm baby daddy.. He has a small weiner and straight hair... She has me

 

[cheri1122]

How about if a baker that has a lifelong strong belief is forced to go against their belief and bake the cake "Congratulations newlyweds John and Ron" plus a second place that says "gay is wrong" on the cake?

It is evidently hard to accept, but beliefs don't [and shouldn't] trump laws, and are not a "get out of jail free" card, either. It's easy to think they should, when they're your beliefs, but what about when they're not? Other religions have their own beliefs, every bit as strongly held as yours, so what happens when they clash? Whose beliefs should prevail?
The law requires those who serve the public to treat all the same, no matter what the server believes. Anyone who cannot do so needs to choose another occupation, because the law is just - and most of us don't want it changed. We don't want to run afoul of someone who believes that women don't belong in the workplace, or driving a car, [much less a truck!], and is permitted to demean us in public, because: religious beliefs.
Would it be fine for others to insult your daughters in public because of their "lifelong strong beliefs"?

 

[mrgoodtude]

Back on point.. Aint getting married

 

[cheri1122]

What gets me is that most of us can realy care less what two adults do behind closed doors but we don't like it shoved down our lives

Please explain how it is being "shoved down your life" - just exactly how does it affect your life? What does it make more difficult for you?

 

[cheri1122]

Back on point.. Aint getting married

I'll bet your wife is on board with that, lol. Don't believe Cyn is ready to throw you back - at least, until she reads today's EO.....

 

[Turtle]

Please explain how it is being "shoved down your life" - just exactly how does it affect your life? What does it make more difficult for you?

They get an awful lot of press and screen time for a two percent populous. Plus, if we don't agree with them and embrace them as normal, we are demonized as "intolerant" and are given labels such as "homophobic." In addition, we're accused of violating their civil rights, despite the fact that homosexuality is not a civil right.

It affects my life in having to endure the mental and emotional abuse of being accused of something I am not.

 

[cheri1122]

They get an awful lot of press and screen time for a two percent populous. Plus, if we don't agree with them and embrace them as normal, we are demonized as "intolerant" and are given labels such as "homophobic." In addition, we're accused of violating their civil rights, despite the fact that homosexuality is not a civil right.

It affects my life in having to endure the mental and emotional abuse of being accused of something I am not.

They get press/screen time because it's contentious, and that is ratings gold. "If it bleeds, it leads" is followed by "If they yell, we tell".
They've been demonized [and continue to be] as deviant, perverse, child molesters, and worse for a long time, and when was the last time you heard of an intolerant homophobic bigot being literally beaten up, just for walking down the street? They worry about their very lives [Matthew Shephard!] while you worry about what other people are thinking - no comparison.
At various times, we've probably all been accused of being "something we're not" - it goes with being a social being. But being physically attacked for what others think of you is not something you really worry about, while gays have to, because it's still going on. For every 'smear' you have to endure, they probably have 10, [beginning in grade school] so my sympathy is entirely with them. Not that either of you deserve it, but you're complaining of a paper cut, while they're gushing from an arterial bleed, IMO.

 

[cheri1122]

Marriage is a heterosexual union between a man and a woman, always has been. Homosexuals have no claim of a right to a heterosexual institution. Marriage does not belong to homosexuals and it isn't theirs to change. Why is this difficult to understand?

Why is it difficult to understand that what is created by man can be changed by man?

 

[Turtle]

I don't appreciate you marginalizing my emotional and mental anguish. I'm gonna cry now. I hope you're happy.

 

[Windsor]

Marriage is a heterosexual union between a man and a woman, always has been. Homosexuals have no claim of a right to a heterosexual institution. Marriage does not belong to homosexuals and it isn't theirs to change. Why is this difficult to understand?

Who the hell said that marriage belonged to just heterosexuals? Did you just make that up? Kind of funny how when homosexuals do get married there generally more successful at it than heteros. Maybe we should stop telling them what there not allowed to do and take some pointers from them.

 

[Turtle]

Who the hell said that marriage belonged to just heterosexuals?

Ten thousand years of human history dating back to the first cave painting of a man and a women being married in ceremony.

Did you just make that up?

Uhm, no.

Kind of funny how when homosexuals do get married there generally more successful at it than heteros. Maybe we should stop telling them what there not allowed to do and take some pointers from them.

What's even funnier is the fact that homosexuals are no more successful at marriage than are straight couples (with the lone exception of the roles within the marriage of same sex couples tend to be more egalitarian, if that's one of the criteria you should choose to use for successful). The divorce rate is the same (actually slightly higher in Europe where same sex marriage has been a thing for a longer time). The one big difference, especially with lesbian marriages, is "fidelity" and "monogamy" are rarely found in the marriage vows. It's an open secret in the gay community, but they don't talk openly about it because they know that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage. Most same sex marriages are open marriages, by design and by cultural expression. Is that one of the pointers you are talking about?