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Windsor

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Oh well hell, no one ever told me that there were cave paintings. That changes everything. Hey gay couple, you don't have the same right to get married as we do because turtle found a cave painting of a strieght couple. Sorry! I love how you claim to know the "open secrets in the gay community" are you just making stuff up now or is there something your trying to tell us. Spit it out!
 

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Oh well hell, no one ever told me that there were cave paintings. That changes everything. Hey gay couple, you don't have the same right to get married as we do because turtle found a cave painting of a strieght couple. Sorry!
It's not just the cave painting, but the succeeding 10,000 years of recorded human that followed.

I love how you claim to know the "open secrets in the gay community" are you just making stuff up now or is there something your trying to tell us. Spit it out!
I love how you can't argue intelligently, so you have to stick with stomp-your-feet-like-a-little-kid emotions and lash out at me, using stupid innuendo to disparage and discredit me.

The Dirty Little Secret: Most Gay Couples Aren't Monogamous - Slate

New York Times - Many Successful Gay Marriages Share an Open Secret
 

paullud

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Oh well hell, no one ever told me that there were cave paintings. That changes everything. Hey gay couple, you don't have the same right to get married as we do because turtle found a cave painting of a strieght couple. Sorry! I love how you claim to know the "open secrets in the gay community" are you just making stuff up now or is there something your trying to tell us. Spit it out!

It's already been explained once that gay couples had the same rights as straight people. They want a special right and to redefine what marriage is. I don't think most here would care if they called it a civil union and were given the same status as a married man and woman.
 
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mrgoodtude

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Ten thousand years of human history dating back to the first cave painting of a man and a women being married in ceremony.

Uhm, no.

What's even funnier is the fact that homosexuals are no more successful at marriage than are straight couples (with the lone exception of the roles within the marriage of same sex couples tend to be more egalitarian, if that's one of the criteria you should choose to use for successful). The divorce rate is the same (actually slightly higher in Europe where same sex marriage has been a thing for a longer time). The one big difference, especially with lesbian marriages, is "fidelity" and "monogamy" are rarely found in the marriage vows. It's an open secret in the gay community, but they don't talk openly about it because they know that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage. Most same sex marriages are open marriages, by design and by cultural expression. Is that one of the pointers you are talking about?

Held to a higher standard I suppose?
This is a real picture taken by Cynthia cuz I don't do gay bars, nor do I do same sex couples raising kids. Sorry not sorry, just can't wrap my brain around this...
 

asjssl

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What gets me is that most of us can realy care less what two adults do behind closed doors but we don't like it shoved down our lives


Ahhhh...like religion...nobody better than shoving THERE ways down your gullet than the church.....
 

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asjssl

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Pedophiles, serial killers and people who hump sheep are also tax paying American human beings, so you might want to rethink your logic on that one. What we have is 2% of the population forcing acceptance of abnormal behavior onto the other 98% of the population. If it was 40 or 50 percent then it would be normal and everyone else should be more accepting, but it's not. At best all that happens is people tolerate homosexuality, but it will never be accepted, much less embraced, as normal. Because it's not.

The whole thing about homosexuality is everyone is hiding in the "closet" ..so 2% is a low # ..not normal to you...fine with me..
 

asjssl

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How about if a baker that has a lifelong strong belief is forced to go against their belief and bake the cake "Congratulations newlyweds John and Ron" plus a second place that says "gay is wrong" on the cake?

My life long belief is there is no God ..but thanks to the religious right. .when I say the pledge of allegiance to my country ..they have made me say I trust a god....and I dont...bake the cake jobber..I've been lying for years to stroke there ego....
 

paullud

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Ahhhh...like religion...nobody better than shoving THERE ways down your gullet than the church.....

Again the meme is off. Asking if you would like to hear about something versus forcing participation. Now if the cult followers known as Jehovah's witnesses forced you to participate or be labeled a witnessphobe and tried to put you out of business you would be upset, that's the comparison you should be considering.
 

asjssl

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Again the meme is off. Asking if you would like to hear about something versus forcing participation. Now if the cult followers known as Jehovah's witnesses forced you to participate or be labeled a witnessphobe and tried to put you out of business you would be upset, that's the comparison you should be considering.

Have a news flash....all religions are cults. ..the ole.."my rock is better than your rock"....
And who is putting you out of business. ..
 

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paullud

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Have a news flash....all religions are cults. ..the ole.."my rock is better than your rock"....

News flash not all religions are cults. Use the dictionary for the meaning of cult instead of Frank Zappa.

And who is putting you out of business. ..

Remember the whole florists and baker issue of being forced to participate in their ceremony? Look at that gay designer that said he didn't agree with gays raising kids. They were screaming for boycotts and wanted to put them out of business for that. There is an agenda being forced by the gay mafia of total acceptance or they will work to end you.
 

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News flash not all religions are cults. Use the dictionary for the meaning of cult instead of Frank Zappa.
There are several definitions of cult, and in recent years the term has taken on a negative connotation using one of the definitions from farther down on the list, namely that of a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. But all religions, if they contain rites and ceremonies, are, in fact, cults. The more established religions and their adherents tend to distance themselves from the term, reserving it for use as a pejorative in an ad hominem attack against groups with differing doctrines or practices with which the more established religions do not agree. The word itself comes from the Latin cultus, which means cultivated to worship, Culture, meaning the customary beliefs, social forms and material traits of a racial, religious or social group, is also derived from the Latin cultus.

cult, noun
a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.


If the number of rites and ceremonies is the litmus test for how cultish a religion is, then Catholicism tops the hit parade. The origin of the pejorative use of the word began in the 1930 with the Christian Anti-culture Movement, where Protestant evangelicals and fundamentalists began demonizing all other denominations of Christianity (and other religions) that, basically, didn't interpret and teach the Bible the "correct" way. They were the first to pejoratively label Catholicism as a cult, as well as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, Buddhists, and pretty much everyone else.

So while all religions are cults, they're just not all in the same vein as the Branch Davidians, the Moonies, and Scientologists.
 

asjssl

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News flash not all religions are cults. Use the dictionary for the meaning of cult instead of Frank Zappa.



Remember the whole florists and baker issue of being forced to participate in their ceremony? Look at that gay designer that said he didn't agree with gays raising kids. They were screaming for boycotts and wanted to put them out of business for that. There is an agenda being forced by the gay mafia of total acceptance or they will work to end you.

Frank Zappa was a very insightful man...just like George Carlin.
 

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cheri1122

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Ever have your faced pushed in a pillow to muffle your crying? Curious

As a matter of fact, yes. Because pedophiles are not homosexuals, and vice versa.
What I can't wrap my head around is people having kids they don't want, and abusing and mistreating and neglecting them. If two men or two women love each other and want kids, and want to raise them with love, to be healthy and happy and self sufficient adults, I don't see why they shouldn't. It's better than two people who don't love/respect each other, taking it out on the kids they have because: normal.
Well, it would be better, if the kids weren't told their parents are pervs by people who just don't like the idea.
 

cheri1122

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Again the meme is off. Asking if you would like to hear about something versus forcing participation. Now if the cult followers known as Jehovah's witnesses forced you to participate or be labeled a witnessphobe and tried to put you out of business you would be upset, that's the comparison you should be considering.

Religion goes further than just "asking if you'd like to hear about something". A LOT further. For example, why can't I buy alcohol on Sunday?
As far as putting people out of business, how many legislators would be elected if they admit to being atheist? You know many are, but the hypocrisy of politics forces them to pretend to being part of some religion, to some degree, or find another career. I think that will change, is changing, but very slowly. Just as so many facets of our culture change: once, it was fine for the POTUS to be violating his marriage vows while in office, [Eisenhower, LBJ, JFK] nobody cared all that much. Now, it's a no go. [And about time!]
 

LDB

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Yeah, two women who want a child to raise and to love would be a great idea. Like the ones in the news feeding hormones to their 11 year old son to turn him into their 11 year old daughter. Junior needs a mother and a father not two mothers and not two fathers and not just a mother and not just a father.
 

cheri1122

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I've no idea who the women referred to are, but one can find bad apples in any barrel - not every parent is a good one, in any configuration. The boys from Columbine had intact nuclear families, you know.
Nobody disagrees that kids do best with two parents, one of each gender, who love and support and teach them properly. But too many kids don't have some element of that perfect formula, [one parent, two parents, but abusive/ignorant/stupid/malicious/drunk/hateful] and who's campaigning to change that for the kids?
If two same sex parents can provide good role models for the other gender, they can't do worse than a whole lot of 'traditional' parents, and are often doing much better.
Except, as I mentioned, for the people who need to tell the "innocent" kids otherwise.
 
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