A simple EOBR question

pearlpro · Jul 11, 2012

If they want the DATA theyll find a way to allow LEO access from the scale or car, DATA can be manipulated, DATA Can be hacked, and DATA can and will be used to Harass, Force and PUSH a driver to run up to the minute, now if the shippers could be made to actually deliver our freight onto our trucks on time, at the appt time, and without delay. I dont know I see another intrusion into the cab, the place that Im hired to occupy and operate the truck. If im not trusted to deliver and do my job, utilize my time properly and efficiently, How is a box going to do that for me, Its a harrassment device in its nature, Oh because Truckers are sleep crazed wacked out irresponsible people...ENOUGH ALREADY....there are so many other ways to make our lives better, and doesnt that really start at the shippers, who cancel loads, make you repallet loads, or dont pay attention to appt times....its not all there fault, but if you want me to drive 10 hours a day get me loaded in 30 minutes, and get me out....

beachbum · Jul 11, 2012

How is the box a harassment device, is it because it would make you stop at the 11/14. Is it a harassment device if as a company driver the company might want you to do the 14 or 11 hours driving. My god if your a company driver and you do as the company says unless you use the ill or fatigued rule in the little green book.

BTW anytime your in accident and there's a lawsuit your records will always be used in court for you or against you, fuel, Qcomm, EOBR and phone.

Yes a DOT audit will see the logs and everything else you did to match and match them up to see if you were cheating and if the company allowed you to cheat.

Yes the NTSB will use the courts if they have too to get the info they need.

And Moose, its sleeper berth time not sleep time. There are 4 ways to equal a ten hour break. 10 straight off duty, 10 in the sleeper berth, a combo 10 off duty and in the sleeper berth and the 8 sleeper ( to stop the 14 hour clock ) 2 off duty (doesn't stop the 14 hour clock ). Show me anywhere in the rules you have to sleep and I'll eat the little green book.

Moose I see you on the BCO forum and if your Landstar I hope your not with Inway, your cargo related is 80+ and your log books are 59.2 which on logs is .8 percent from being audited from FMCSA. you see a agreement to have all Inway drivers have a EOBR, I do unless Landstar wants to pay the fine, I also see no more prepass because of the safety scores.

blackpup · Jul 11, 2012

pearlpro said:
If they want the DATA theyll find a way to allow LEO access from the scale or car, DATA can be manipulated, DATA Can be hacked, and DATA can and will be used to Harass, Force and PUSH a driver to run up to the minute, now if the shippers could be made to actually deliver our freight onto our trucks on time, at the appt time, and without delay. I dont know I see another intrusion into the cab, the place that Im hired to occupy and operate the truck. If im not trusted to deliver and do my job, utilize my time properly and efficiently, How is a box going to do that for me, Its a harrassment device in its nature, Oh because Truckers are sleep crazed wacked out irresponsible people...ENOUGH ALREADY....there are so many other ways to make our lives better, and doesnt that really start at the shippers, who cancel loads, make you repallet loads, or dont pay attention to appt times....its not all there fault, but if you want me to drive 10 hours a day get me loaded in 30 minutes, and get me out....[/QUOTE

AMEN!!. Tell it like it is.

jimmy

paullud · Jul 11, 2012

beachbum said:
How is the box a harassment device, is it because it would make you stop at the 11/14. Is it a harassment device if as a company driver the company might want you to do the 14 or 11 hours driving. My god if your a company driver and you do as the company says unless you use the ill or fatigued rule in the little green book.

I'm not sure how you can't see the obvious harassment issue, the driver is responsible for moving the truck in a safe, responsible manner and not some clueless, inexperienced dispatcher. It doesn't matter if you are 8 hours or 10 hours into your day, if the driver wants to stop early for comfort or any other reason and they can still keep the appointment then that is their choice. Then when you get into the fact that GPS use by law enforcement has already been ruled to be a Constitutional issue the EOBR is a clear violation. [/QUOTE]

And Moose, its sleeper berth time not sleep time. There are 4 ways to equal a ten hour break. 10 straight off duty, 10 in the sleeper berth, a combo 10 off duty and in the sleeper berth and the 8 sleeper ( to stop the 14 hour clock ) 2 off duty (doesn't stop the 14 hour clock ). Show me anywhere in the rules you have to sleep and I'll eat the little green book.

Just wait until they start violating our rights because drivers just sit there and say "I don't see what the big deal is about EOBR's". The FMCSA has already been on the warpath about fatigued driving and they don't give a rat's donkey if it actually means you are fatigued or not. Look at the sleep apnea garbage or when MN decided that having coffee or a TV in your truck were reasons to consider you to be fatigued so they could put you OOS. It won't be long before they start down the path of how do we know what they are really doing in the sleeper.

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beachbum · Jul 11, 2012

If you are fatigued or ill there is a rule in the green book for that. If you want to stop early that's up to your employer if you are a company driver, not the driver unless he uses the above rule. If you are a leased driver that's your right. But most drivers go to the delivery point if they have parking to save time on the 14 for the next day.

Yes for LEO's its a constitutional issue, but a private employer can track his equipment any time he wants. Plus a lease operator signs a contract and if it includes a EOBR you have a right not to work there. Now an independent will be up the creek without a paddle when the EOBR rule becomes a regulation, its either comply or leave the industry.

Plus I don't see harassment when I'm called once to ask why I stopped. I just tell them and that has always been the end. Harassment to me is when they try and get a driver to take a load when he's out of hours for the day or when he hit his 70. Just because a driver is trying to do a 34 but has 20 hours available to him and he's made to go to work isn't harassment its called being a company driver where you have no right to turn down a load. That is unless it's in the contract you signed with the company.

Forced dispatch is what it means, you are forced too take a load whether you wanted it or not. No forced dispatch is just that turn down what you want, now there could be ramifications in turning doen to many loads but that's business.

paullud said:
I'm not sure how you can't see the obvious harassment issue, the driver is responsible for moving the truck in a safe, responsible manner and not some clueless, inexperienced dispatcher. It doesn't matter if you are 8 hours or 10 hours into your day, if the driver wants to stop early for comfort or any other reason and they can still keep the appointment then that is their choice. Then when you get into the fact that GPS use by law enforcement has already been ruled to be a Constitutional issue the EOBR is a clear violation.

Just wait until they start violating our rights because drivers just sit there and say "I don't see what the big deal is about EOBR's". The FMCSA has already been on the warpath about fatigued driving and they don't give a rat's donkey if it actually means you are fatigued or not. Look at the sleep apnea garbage or when MN decided that having coffee or a TV in your truck were reasons to consider you to be fatigued so they could put you OOS. It won't be long before they start down the path of how do we know what they are really doing in the sleeper.

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beachbum · Jul 11, 2012

For all please post what is harassment because most here has no any clue.

Try I'm tried in any other industry and they will laugh at you and if you force the issue then they will fire you.

BTW if some keep up with this I get tired during the day, it just might come back and bite us in the butt. They could cut the hours down to 9/12.

Please don't blame the shippers and receivers, it's your company for not paying you to sit while there.

BobWolf · Jul 11, 2012

The government can already track and monitor you by your cell phone and as more techknowlogy is added to our highways its easy to scan a truck through the ECM just like an EZ pass device. One man one truck and its on the road zap the ECM, and you have been loged for location and time Im sure its alredy going on it just hasn't been presented. A Rochester NY trucking company was audited last summer and was shut down due to profound log book violations. How did they find out? down loaded the pre pass and EZ pass data and it never matched the log books.

I dont need a leash shoved up my ______!
Im a Big boy and dont need a babysitter either.

Bob Wolf

beachbum · Jul 11, 2012

Bob I agree most out here don't need an EOBR, but, since the FMCSA cannot put an EOBR on the bad actors to help control their logs because OOIDA changed their position on them and took the FMCSA to court,now we will all get them in time.

Most here need to understand, bad actors cause problems for everyone out here and as a industry we don't seem to care. This industry is get it done at all costs. That mentality needs to change.

paullud · Jul 11, 2012

beachbum said:
Bob I agree most out here don't need an EOBR, but, since the FMCSA cannot put an EOBR on the bad actors to help control their logs because OOIDA changed their position on them and took the FMCSA to court,now we will all get them in time.

Most here need to understand, bad actors cause problems for everyone out here and as a industry we don't seem to care. This industry is get it done at all costs. That mentality needs to change.

As an industry we do care, the majority are hard working, law abiding professionals. You can't punish or violate the rights of 100% based on the actions of 22%.

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layoutshooter · Jul 11, 2012

paullud said:
As an industry we do care, the majority are hard working, law abiding professionals. You can't punish or violate the rights of 100% based on the actions of 22%.

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Sure you can, this country does it all the time and very few care. They do it and WE let them get away with it. All the while they are breaking just about every law you can think of.

pearlpro · Jul 12, 2012

Well since they defunded the EOBR option its going to be a while before they come back at us, so if you want this device sit and watch your TV, or get involved and write and let those in the position of power, NO Im a man who can make a decision, OK so we take those with Lousy CSA scores and they are forced to get a device...Its never going in my truck. Until its federally mandated...its not really the bad actors its the huge ATA related conglomerates who want to get every single minute out of drivers. They know the times gonna be modified and they want you to drive that truck every minute of your alloted hours....and then some !!!

Most of us can do that and do it everyday Legally....I like my job, I dont need a Beeping Black Box that says MOVE you have 36 minutes driving time left, so you drive on and now your out on the side of the highway or in an unsafe area, Do they know whats on some of these parking lots, or what we see or tolerate, Maybe you dont see that as harrassment I dont know what you consider that to be...To Me its a beeping black box that says its 3 am, wake up and drive, or its rush hour go sit in traffic, instead of arriving at 3 am, and missing all the traffic....Cant a driver make a SMART DECISION ANYMORE

Ive never had a log violation, NEVER, never felt the need to color in my coloring book, I enjoy driving, I can get the job done without dispatch beeping and calling and prodding....as far as Tracking yes were all being tracked via cell phones, Scale passes, EZ Pass, Fuel reciepts. Those that drive 15 hours a day or more and think there making more money will be caught and lose that money sooner or later....

zorry · Jul 12, 2012

I do not believe they have defunded the EOBR.

paullud · Jul 12, 2012

zorry said:
I do not believe they have defunded the EOBR.

They passed it in the House but the Senate has not, I read an article that says it won't matter if it passes or not.

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zorry · Jul 12, 2012

In english,EOBR's are coming wether you like them or not.

zorry · Jul 12, 2012

PearlPro,chill bro.
The box will tell you that you are legal to move.
You are still the captain of the ship. Drivers must keep control. Most will move if they can and it safe. And if it makes sense. You won't leave a truckstop to get an hour closer to delivery if the later makes you park in the ghetto.
The tough part is you can no longer stay in the luxury/safety of the truckstop and paperlog that you are at the delivery,this giving you an advantage over those that log legal.
It will take better trip planning. It will be tough on expediting because there can be less preplanning.
EOBR's will be hard on solo's. Teams are affected much less.
My belief is a lot of this is the T/L segment's desire to eliminate solos.More teams, more flexibility,less cash outlay for equipment.
Like it or not this is trucking 2012.

beachbum · Jul 12, 2012

Whatcrights are going to be violated with an EOBR, none

If you have a Qcomm the company knows where your at all the time. If you do paper logs all this does is make them electronic. No violation there either since DOT checks your logs when they stop you now. GPS no violation there either, since by the rules logs must be current to last stop of truck

paullud said:
As an industry we do care, the majority are hard working, law abiding professionals. You can't punish or violate the rights of 100% based on the actions of 22%.

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blackpup · Jul 12, 2012

Manny drivers and owner- operators with bills to pay, feel like they have no choice but to accept harassment from the companies they work or haul for.

jimmy

beachbum · Jul 12, 2012

I'm still trying to figure out what harassment people are talking about.

blackpup said:
Manny drivers and owner- operators with bills to pay, feel like they have no choice but to accept harassment from the companies they work or haul for.

jimmy

blackpup · Jul 12, 2012

beachbum said:
I'm still trying to figure out what harassment people are talking about.

blackpup said:
Manny drivers and owner- operators with bills to pay, feel like they have no choice but to accept harassment from the companies they work or haul for.

jimmy

My biggest problem with the EBOR would be detention time at the loading or receiving dock.

jimmy