A simple EOBR question

[moose]

How will EOBR's work on drive away service ?

A hint: every year there are hundreds of thousands of shipments in which that load is the ONLY time in the vehicle lifespan that required compliance with HOS .
those loads are such as: city owned equipment, snow plow's, construction trucks, Cranes, school buses, Gov. owned equipments, airport vehicle's, fire trucks, ambulances,
AND all the Motor-home's .

 

[OntarioVanMan]

maybe those types of vehicles or that type of work will be exempt when the final law is passed?

 

[zorry]

Maybe a portable unit of some sort

 

[gotta go]

Simple, microchip the driver.

 

[zorry]

We may not be far from that.

 

[paullud]

Simple, microchip the driver.

We are well on the way as ridiculous as it sounds, just think about all these people that don't care about rights and privacy. They look forward to the EOBR mandate because they don't understand HOS or because their company wants them to run illegally. Instead of just acknowledging that they are incompetent drivers they feel the better solution is to take away the rights of those that can do their job properly and legally. If they like the ease of use of an EOBR they could simply go work for a company that has them. Once the government forces the door wide open with this mandate they will then use the excuse that they can't prove we weren't inside a shipper or receiver longer than we said or that we were actually in the sleeper for 8 hours or that we actually slept for 8 hours. It seems to far out there for some to believe but just look how fast we have given away rights in this industry and as regular citizens in the name of safety.

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[OntarioVanMan]

Oh..I think people got the idea ....ya see rail engineers are monitored, airline pilots more so...trucks are next...all under federal guidance...

 

[blackpup]

Slight bit of difference between airline pilots/rail road engineers and truck drivers.

jimmy

 

[paullud]

Oh..I think people got the idea ....ya see rail engineers are monitored, airline pilots more so...trucks are next...all under federal guidance...

Those industries begged the federal government to save them and rely on our tax money to stay in business. If we can no longer survive as an industry and need the federal government to step in the same way, it is a whole different situation.

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[pearlpro]

If the Mega Conglomerates NEED EOBRs to be profitable then let them do it, I personally Dont need any device that someone can BEEP, or send me messages, or Force me to drive. I was trained to be a Professional, Ive driven MANY years earning safe driving awards, etc and earning my peers respect by operating ANY vehicle safely. If they think that these Black Boxes will make the difference, less crashes, less tickets, less whatever...then Hire a freakin Monkey......and thats the problem some of do hire ANY Monkey that comes along.

Im a grown up, responsible to myself and those around me to be SAFE, and know my business, How and When to operate this motor vehicle in all weather and all times of the night and day....
I do not need another device that issues me directives on where, when and how I should be driving a truck I earned and paid for...

Now with the influx of so many NEW HIRES and newbies you want to cut down on accident rates, and improve trucking companys safety rates, you make these new drivers DRIVE LONGER WITH A TRAINER then 30 days.....Training today is a joke, I see far too many guys who cant back a truck into a dock, or a parking spot in the truck stops or speak ENGLISH. There Impatient and STUPID and drive these vehicles like there in a Nascar race, speeding down the highway at 75 plus MPH, Tailgating, and KungFu fighting over the CB acting Like kids in Day care instead of MEN in a serious position of responsibility.

The EOBR will never change that, until trucking companys decide that a 2 week course DOES NOT A DRIVER MAKE !!! I see where the trucking companies want to manage your time right down to the minute, so your forced to drive past the truckstop, park on a exit ramp and not shower or have access to food or even a safe parking spot. If thats an improvement to the company and they dont let a driver DRIVE or make intelligent decisions, then somebody rent me a Monkey suit.

 

[zorry]

I don't see how EOBR's will allow a company to harass me. If I drive 9 hrs and need a nap I take a nap. If they call me to inform me I have 2 hrs left to drive my answer is "you're pretty good with math. When I get rested enough to continue on I will,if I can do so legally. Good night. "
Where the improvement comes is that when dispatch calls and says " it's only 16 hours straight through I can say " I'd love to help you,but this darned EOBR is watching me. Sorry."

 

[beachbum]

Heck Zorry, I just turn the phone off and cover the Qcomm so I won't here the thing beep. Simple answers to all the OOIDA I'm being harassed choir.

That said I know people on a EOBR and they don't have those problems. No one ever bothers them till they come back on duty.

 

[paullud]

Heck Zorry, I just turn the phone off and cover the Qcomm so I won't here the thing beep. Simple answers to all the OOIDA I'm being harassed choir.

That said I know people on a EOBR and they don't have those problems. No one ever bothers them till they come back on duty.

The even easier answer that won't cost several hundred dollars is to dump the EOBR especially since we already know they don't hold you to being 100% legal. The harassment has already been an issue and if you decide to turn off your phone the company will just come up with a policy against it or pressure you and tell you that you need to be driving more.

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[zorry]

The problem with the argument that they don't force you to be legal is that the people making that argument are telling the Feds the loopholes.
I heard of a guy that couldn't turn down a great cross country run. His partner wasn't ready so he ran his shift,punched some buttons,and ran his partners shift.
They are using our arguments to re-invent the EOBR. Retina imaging,fingerprint pads ? I don't know. I've heard when they are forced on us they will be different.

 

[beachbum]

I would like to where it says retina or fingerprint, it does say this. the below came from this web site

EOBR Mandate- as Directed by Congress | Qualcomm Enterprise Services


MAP-21 also outlines key areas for EOBR security and certification, including:

Standard security level per nationally-recognized standards organization;
Security requirements to address:
Unique vehicle operator identification
Data access
Drivers’ data transfer between motor vehicles
Motor carrier’s data storage
Data transfer and transportability for law enforcement officials

And the companies say this

However, implementation of the mandate within three years is doable considering the following:

500,000 compliant systems are already in use and they work very well.
New requirements actually standardize current best practices.
Many installed systems will simply need an over-the-air software upgrade.

 

[zorry]

My point was they are going to be different.
How ? I do not know.
If I can drive 11, put myself in the bunk "on paper" and drive 4 or 5 more hours on the co-drivers time,they're useless.
Don't you think they've got this figured out already ?

 

[zorry]

The carriers say the ones in use work very well.
Sure,they can doctor the data.
I heard someone suggest the other day that the data should go from the truck to a goverment agency.

 

[beachbum]

Yes they can change the info, but there's a electronic footprint of the old log info. Not like a paper log that you just throw out and start over to get the hours you need.

As for it going straight to the government, not going to happen since they don't own the EOBR. The only way it goes to the government is if they buy it for you, just like the Mexican carries, all their info goes straight to the DOT till they get their real authority not the testing they do now. Then they turn the EOBR back into the FEDS and run just like we do in the united states. No EOBR needed since not mandated.

That is something OOIDA never tells their members, how the EOBR rules really are for Mexican carriers.

 

[moose]

As for it going straight to the government, not going to happen since they don't own the EOBR. The only way it goes to the government is if they buy it for you, .

So, in case of an accident, the E-logs info. will be off limit for the accident investigator ?.
howbou't NTSB ?(*)
incase of an DOT audit, they won't be able to see E-Logs ?
what about the pay off the FMCSA granted last year to large carrier, you know the ones that already "use E-logs" (yes that illegal activity), by allowing them to be the ONLY ones to not have to keep records of supporting documents ???
* you know the ones that have access to all of our emails, cell calls, privet FaceBooks ,EO postings and brain waves... (and shame on us for posting on EO while showing sleeper time, we are supposed to be asleep now).

BTW, no one answer the Original Question...

 

[zorry]

See post #3