A little sanity, at long last!

[Moot]

Pot does contain THC and other cannabinoids, ...

I think it was those cannabinoids that ate my Uncle George's body out on the ice of Mille Lacs Lake. Then they drove off in his Buick.

 

[davekc]

Where sanity begins to exists, insanity takes over elsewhere.
Legal pot out west is ok, but e-cigs are banned at inside locations in NY. Another one of those follow the money and nanny state agendas.
E-cigs are bad because they contain nicotine. Oh wait a minute, not all liquids for e-cigs contain nicotine.
Oh wait a minute, these may effect the taxes we get from regular cigarettes. Never mind that most of the cigarettes in NY are bootlegged in from surrounding states.
What to do, what to do,....these aren't yet regulated so it might make people think they are regular cigarettes. Some doctors say it is a better alternative to regular cigs, but.....they must be wrong.
Oh wait a minute, people are buying these, looking like they enjoy them, we can't tell to what degree they are a health hazard so they must be BAD.
Anything we aren't taxing and people might be enjoying are surely bad for the public.
"Think of the children"

 

[WanderngFool]

I must once again congratulate you on your choice of screen name, as this post is the epitome of foolish. You connected the dots between cigarette additives approved by the FDA (not necessarily added by manufacturers, but approved to be added) to a list of carcinogens found in cigarette smoke, and came to the brilliant conclusion that all of those carcinogens were actually added to the tobacco by the manufacturers. Then, without providing a list of carcinogens found in pot smoke, you provide the list of added carcinogens in home grown pot. Brilliant again. It seems rather clear that you think pot smoke contains no carcinogens, and you think all the carcinogens found in cigarette smoke are added by the manufacturer.

Cigarette smoke contains more than 4000 identified chemicals, with 37 of them being known carcinogens. Wow that's a lot of chemicals and a really lot of carcinogens. Home grown pot smoke contain, uhm, yeah, more than 4000 identified chemicals, with 50 (37? no, 50) of them being known carcinogens. Pot smoke contains approximately 5 times the carbon monoxide, 4 times the tar, twice the amount of ammonia and hydrogen cyanide than is found in cigarette smoke. Pot also has 75% more benzanthracene and 50% more benzopyrene than cigarette smoke has in all forms of its benzene.

OMG! Pot contains ammonia, cyanide, benzene?!?! How did these carcinogens get into home grown pot? OMG!

They got in there the same way they got into tobacco smoke, and from the smoke of a wood fire, or a grass fire, or from burning leaves - from the chemical reactions of partially oxidized hydrocarbons created by burning the plant material.

Tobacco smoke and marijuana smoke are chemically very similar, as both contain the same cancer-causing compounds (carcinogens). Pot does contain THC and other cannabinoids, which lessens some of (not all of) the carcinogenic effects, and mitigates and/or suppresses certain cancers such as lung cancer, breast and prostate, leukemia and lymphoma, glioma, skin cancer, and pheochromocytoma. Nicotine and THC act on related pathways in the body, but they bind to different receptors to activate these pathways. For example, the cells of the lungs are lined with nicotine receptors but do not appear to contain receptors for THC, which explains why pot doesn't cause lung cancer the same way that tobacco does. But just as with any other drug there are side effects to its benefits, such as increased cellular damage of the lungs, increased cough, sputum production, airway inflammation, and wheeze. Chemicals in cannabis are also known to kill more brain cells and interrupt neurotransmitters in the brain. And if you smoke both cigarettes and pot, you're doubling down on the problems of cigarette smoke, as the medical benefits of pot are greatly reduced and the carcinogenic effects of cigarette smoke are increased.

But no, it's not primarily the "added junk" in cigarettes that kills people, it's the junk that's already found in the smoke of all biological plant material. Winston (also Russia's #1 selling brand, by far), American Spirit, Dunhill, Nat Sherman and several other US brands contain no additives whatsoever, and people smoking those die at the same rate as those who smoke Marlboro, Camel and Lucky Strikes.

Wow. I don't know what set you off and I don't have time or inclination to respond to paragraph after paragraph point by point. If you think pot is as bad or worse than cigarettes then based on existing research the last time I looked into it, I disagree.

I have to admit, I find the information about Winston not using additives interesting. I didn't know that.

 

[davekc]

Wow. I don't know what set you off and I don't have time or inclination to respond to paragraph after paragraph point by point. If you think pot is as bad or worse than cigarettes then based on existing research the last time I looked into it, I disagree.

Umm....probably because your original post is highly misleading.

 

[LDB]

There's no sanity in this. They call it dope and it's users dopers for a reason. Very fitting.

 

[paullud]

There's no sanity in this. They call it dope and it's users dopers for a reason. Very fitting.

If you want the government to take over and create a nanny state you can just move to NYC, they are well on the way.

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[LDB]

Not for less than all expenses paid 5 star accommodations plus $1000 daily to boot.

 

[paullud]

Not for less than all expenses paid 5 star accommodations plus $1000 daily to boot.

Well it is NY so welfare will put you in a decent position but the best part is you will have the government you want that will save you from yourself. Just imagine the possibilities of the city interfering in your daily life protecting you from owning guns, drinking to much soda, e-cigs, or people smoking.

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[Turtle]

Wow. I don't know what set you off and I don't have time or inclination to respond to paragraph after paragraph point by point.

I thought mu first paragraph explained pretty clearly what set me off. Like Dave said, your post was misleading. And then you capped off your post with an utter falsehood. Granted, at the time you typed it you probably really and truly believed that it's the additives in cigarettes that people primarily die from, but it's not true nonetheless.

If you think pot is as bad or worse than cigarettes then based on existing research the last time I looked into it, I disagree.

I don't think that. I think that neither cigarettes nor pot is healthy, and that both have their negative side effects, it's just that they have different side effects. Cigarettes gives you lung cancer, while pot shrinks your hyppocampus (short-to-long term memory and spacial navigation), and inhibits Adenosine triphosphate in sperm which causes your little guys to not swim and therefore makes you infertile. All I know for sure is, pot and cigarette smoke have the same carcinogens in them.

If you think inhaling pot smoke isn't as bad for you as inhaling the smoke from other burned plant matter, you're fooling yourself.

I have to admit, I find the information about Winston not using additives interesting. I didn't know that.

It's what I'm here for.

 

[Turtle]

There's no sanity in this. They call it dope and it's users dopers for a reason. Very fitting.

It's a plant. It's...a...plant! Read the article linked in the OP and replace the words "marijuana" and "pot" with "corn" or "maize" and you can get a sense of just how little sanity there is in all this.

It's a big moment: Colorado will become the first state in the nation to open recreational corn stores and become the first place in the world where maize will be regulated from seed to sale. Corn, by the way, is the third most popular recreational drug in America, after alcohol and tobacco, according to the maize reform group TRTL.

Let's make some corn brownies!

 

[LDB]

Yeah... no, but it reads nicely.

 

[runrunner]

It's a plant. It's...a...plant! Read the article linked in the OP and replace the words "marijuana" and "pot" with "corn" or "maize" and you can get a sense of just how little sanity there is in all this.

It's a big moment: Colorado will become the first state in the nation to open recreational corn stores and become the first place in the world where maize will be regulated from seed to sale. Corn, by the way, is the third most popular recreational drug in America, after alcohol and tobacco, according to the maize reform group TRTL.

Let's make some corn brownies!

Corn makes Whiskey! Whiskey makes YUM!

 

[runrunner]

At least people don't smoke a joint and then go home and beat the wife up,like they do with alcohol.

 

[zorry]

There are also happy drunks.

At $200 an once, who can afford to not inhale ?

 

[LDB]

$200 an ounce? Unless an ounce is measured in cubic feet that is some expensive stupidity.

 

[Moot]

...replace the words "marijuana" and "pot" with "corn" or "maize" and you can get a sense of just how little sanity there is in all this.

Firing up an "ear".


"Don't Bogart that ear my friend, pass it over to me." Country Joe.

"Friends, Romans and countrymen, lend me an ear." Mark Antony.

 

[RLENT]

$200 an ounce? Unless an ounce is measured in cubic feet that is some expensive stupidity.

Thanks for shedding light on at least some of your true motivations: you want to save people from their own stupidity ...

We are all so very lucky to have such well-motivated little do-gooders around who, in their blinding brilliance and wisdom, are so concerned for our individual welfare and well-being ...

If only we would just all submit and let them "take care" of us ...

 

[LDB]

I have no interest in saving you or anyone else from your own stupidity. Just an observation of fact.

 

[RLENT]

I have no interest in saving you or anyone else from your own stupidity. Just an observation of fact.

That's odd ... it really smelled more like a conclusion based on opinion to me ...

 

[WanderngFool]

I thought mu first paragraph explained pretty clearly what set me off. Like Dave said, your post was misleading. And then you capped off your post with an utter falsehood. Granted, at the time you typed it you probably really and truly believed that it's the additives in cigarettes that people primarily die from, but it's not true nonetheless.

I don't think that. I think that neither cigarettes nor pot is healthy, and that both have their negative side effects, it's just that they have different side effects. Cigarettes gives you lung cancer, while pot shrinks your hyppocampus (short-to-long term memory and spacial navigation), and inhibits Adenosine triphosphate in sperm which causes your little guys to not swim and therefore makes you infertile. All I know for sure is, pot and cigarette smoke have the same carcinogens in them.

If you think inhaling pot smoke isn't as bad for you as inhaling the smoke from other burned plant matter, you're fooling yourself.

It's what I'm here for.

Just speaking to the subject of carcinogens here:

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection

While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.

Edit: Improved lung function?
http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/