A crime stopped DEAD!!

layoutshooter

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One of the main reasons for the Second Amendment of the Constitution is self defense. Properly armed citizens will bring down crime. A LEGALLY armed citizen was able to protect his own life, take a criminal out of the gene pool and his actions led to the arrest of two other thugs.


Pizza Delivery Guy Shot & Killed Gunman in Detroit​


By AMY LANGE
WJBK | myFOXDetroit.com

DETROIT (WJBK) - Even thieves don't take time off for heavy snow. One man is dead and two others under arrest after police say the trio tried to rob a pizza delivery man at gunpoint.

He never did get to deliver the pizzas, but he did deliver a deadly gunshot to one of the men who tried to rob him.

"I (saw) this tall guy with a gun. He's on the phone. He's standing by a car, and that's all I could see," said Val Overton.

What she couldn't see right away from her window was the body of a would-be robber that pulled a gun on a pizza delivery guy across the street who, in turn, pulled out his own gun and fired.

"Thank goodness he saved his own life, and just shame of thieves," Overton said.

The pizza guy works for Papa's Pizza on Harper. He was trying to deliver to a house on McCormick on Detroit's east side.

However, neighbors said nobody lives there. The robbers set him up.

"I (heard) four gunshots. So, I (looked) out the window and I (saw) the man running over the grass to the backyard," said Toteanna Palmer.

Harper Woods police arrested two robbers, who had tried to run after their partner in crime was shot and killed.

"It could've been the other way around. It could've been the pizza guy, who's trying to make a living to feed his family. So, for every cause there is an effect," said Elnora Traylor.

"That's my delivery guy. So, I want to give him a big hug when I see him again," said Overton.

The delivery guy did have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. He wasn't available for comment, but another driver told us it's all part of the job. A lot of drivers are armed for their own safety.


Pizza Delivery Guy Shot & Killed Gunman in Detroit
 

greg334

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This happens a lot around here.

I have a couple questions -

what do you mean legal if the right to bear arms without interference means just that - the state can't prevent you from carrying?
 

layoutshooter

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This happens a lot around here.

I have a couple questions -

what do you mean legal if the right to bear arms without interference means just that - the state can't prevent you from carrying?

I guess by LEGAL I mean carrying a firearm that was not stolen. (in this case we can make a fair assumption that it was not stolen since the man had a CCW) A firearm used in a responsible manner, to defend your own life or the life of another. In other words, using your RIGHT to Keep and Bare arms correctly.
 

Pilgrim

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This happens a lot around here.

I have a couple questions -

what do you mean legal if the right to bear arms without interference means just that - the state can't prevent you from carrying?
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I believe the "right to bear arms (own guns) without interference" doesn't mean one has the right to carry a concealed weapon - at least in certain states.
 

AMonger

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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I believe the "right to bear arms (own guns) without interference" doesn't mean one has the right to carry a concealed weapon - at least in certain states.
Either open or concealed, any state that interferes with one of the ways is in violation. I don't mind too much if they ban concealed carry as long as open carry is ok. And by ok, I mean the cops won't jack you up when they see you with it. And licenses and permits are wrong, too.
 

AMonger

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I'm surprised this ended well for the driver. An employee who defends himself is usually fired afterward.
 

layoutshooter

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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I believe the "right to bear arms (own guns) without interference" doesn't mean one has the right to carry a concealed weapon - at least in certain states.


Only in States that are run by and largely inhabited by people who believe that all citizens of that state should be victims to the criminal element and ruled by a benevolent (ruthless) government.
 

Dreamer

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No Joe, you're an employee when you deliver. I did it during college, and was a former manager. Our drivers weren't allowed to carry, tho I know some did. I thinks ours was because our restaurant sold alcohol too. Others have dif rules.


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layoutshooter

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No Joe, you're an employee when you deliver. I did it during college, and was a former manager. Our drivers weren't allowed to carry, tho I know some did. I thinks ours was because our restaurant sold alcohol too. Others have dif rules.


Dale

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I thought that they were contractors, maybe it is a Michigan thing or I got it all wrong. I will have to ask my buddy, he owns a pizza joint. I will post when I get an answer. It will be after he comes home, I don't like to bother him when he is at work. He gets home around 6. I will call him then.
 

Dreamer

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Maybe some places do it... around here its minimum wage, plus del charge plus tips.

Dale

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ErieBigDawg

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IN Pennsylvania, to carry a firearm while working, YOU must be Act 235 certified. UNLESS, you are working at your work location (shop, etc.).

BUT, I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6!
 
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layoutshooter

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IN Pennsylvania, to carry a firearm while working, YOU must be Act 235 certified. UNLESS, you are working at your work location (shop, etc.).

BUT, I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6!

I thought that Act 235 was when the job duties required the use of a firearm. I did not think it applied to carry for protection.

I too would rather take the chance with 12 than be carried by 6. I would stand a very good chance in this county. Not so much in others. NO chance around Ann Arbor. That area is inhabited by professional hand wringers, victims and those who blame others for a criminal's acts.
 

ErieBigDawg

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I thought that Act 235 was when the job duties required the use of a firearm. I did not think it applied to carry for protection.

Shooter, You are 100% correct. I had a brain fart. If weapon is carried for your job...Act 235 is required.

MOST employers will not permit a firearm to be carried by employees or outside contrtactors, while working for them. A liability thing, I am sure.
 

layoutshooter

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Shooter, You are 100% correct. I had a brain fart. If weapon is carried for your job...Act 235 is required.

MOST employers will not permit a firearm to be carried by employees or outside contrtactors, while working for them. A liability thing, I am sure.

No problem, I have them all the time!! :p
 
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