60/40?/fair?

[ds1450]

When I had vans on and worked for owners with Panther the deal was normally 60% of the gross to the the driver and 100% of everything else including FSC, Layover, etc.

Of course there is a bunch of dis-honest owners who take 40% of the FSC, Layover, empty move, etc. That's A CROCK. IF YOU ARE FUELING THE TRUCK, you should get 100% of the FSC. If you are not fueling the truck, why on earth would you split a hand move or othe assecorial (sic) with an owner? I always paid 60/40/100 that way and I noticed the practice of cheating the drivers was more prevalent with FDCC owners who split everything 60/40. When FDCC started breaking down the FSC it was easier for the drivers to see what they were missing. I make a bit more than 60/40 but I gross more than the average solo driver. BUT, I always get 100% of anything other than the load. Any driver worth his salt should get the same. Just my thought, Sorry owners but it need to be said.

 

[cheri1122]

While I agree that whoever pays for fuel should get 100% FS, I think your logic gets faulty on the rest of the accessorials. DH pay should be split, because the truck incurs wear & tear, liftgate should be shared because the owner paid for the liftgate, etc.
Leo has a fair system, dividing it into 'truck pay' and 'people pay' - maybe he'll explain it again, for you.

 

[butterfly610]

I do think the driver should get 100% of unloading or loading pay. Why should the owner get that if the driver is the one doing the work, which can at times be hard. For example...we did a load awhile back that had two stops. We had 5,000 pounds worth of 12 foot long deck material that we had to unload ONE piece at a time. Talk about some work. I dont see how anyone older would be able to do it. I stood in the truck and lifted the awkward things out the back to my husband who would take them and make a pile of them in the person's yard. It went to people's actual houses. We would have earned 100$ for doing this work, which wasn't really easy. Not like just lifting light boxes or something. You couldn't use any kind of pallet jack, no other possible way except one at a time. But instead, we only got half of it. If I owned trucks, I would give the driver that pay at 100% plus if they had detention I would give it to them.

You don't really get that much for detention anyways, so why split it up where the driver hardly gets anything from it? They're the ones sitting there waiting, and you never know the conditions they are waiting in. Say you earn 20$ for detention, that driver would only get 8$ if they get 40%. Just doesn't seem fair sometimes. I'm sure the owners have a different outlook on it, but that's just what I would do for the driver if I owned trucks.

 

[Bruno]

Why would an owner give a driver 100% of the unload charges or the D-time. The drivers are using the Liftgate, pallet jack, Pads, Dolleys and so on that the owner bought. If the drivers have a problem with that then maybe they should go buy a truck and set it up like that so they can pay almost $200,000.00 the truck. This Cracks me up. You want 100% of unloading and D-time. When a driver unloads a truck, who's equitment is he useing? The owners. Who truck is waiting for the freight to get unloaded? The owners, So the owner should get some of the D-time too. Now as far as the FSC if the driver is paying the fuel I can understand your point. But lets be fair, the driver should also pay the Fuel taxs too then. The owners have no control on where the drivers buy fuel.

What cracks me up is teams drivers in the paper get .38 cpm to be spilt and that is a big truck. Drivers in a C or D unit gets 20% of the load which works out to be .28 cpm each based on a $1.40 a mile load. Maybe owners should go to paying the drivers by the loaded mile or all paids miles. I'm all for paying a man or woman a fare wage. But Damm you can't have it all. If you want it all go buy your own darn truck.

 

[Bruno]

I do think the driver should get 100% of unloading or loading pay. Why should the owner get that if the driver is the one doing the work, which can at times be hard. For example...we did a load awhile back that had two stops. We had 5,000 pounds worth of 12 foot long deck material that we had to unload ONE piece at a time. Talk about some work. I dont see how anyone older would be able to do it. I stood in the truck and lifted the awkward things out the back to my husband who would take them and make a pile of them in the person's yard. It went to people's actual houses. We would have earned 100$ for doing this work, which wasn't really easy. Not like just lifting light boxes or something. You couldn't use any kind of pallet jack, no other possible way except one at a time. But instead, we only got half of it. If I owned trucks, I would give the driver that pay at 100% plus if they had detention I would give it to them.

You don't really get that much for detention anyways, so why split it up where the driver hardly gets anything from it? They're the ones sitting there waiting, and you never know the conditions they are waiting in. Say you earn 20$ for detention, that driver would only get 8$ if they get 40%. Just doesn't seem fair sometimes. I'm sure the owners have a different outlook on it, but that's just what I would do for the driver if I owned trucks.

Now that is different, Yea I would have gave the team more than 50% it depends on the load. I would have gave you 100% on that one.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Why would an owner give a driver 100% of the unload charges or the D-time. The drivers are using the Liftgate, pallet jack, Pads, Dolleys and so on that the owner bought. If the drivers have a problem with that then maybe they should go buy a truck and set it up like that so they can pay almost $200,000.00 the truck. This Cracks me up. You want 100% of unloading and D-time. When a driver unloads a truck, who's equitment is he useing? The owners. Who truck is waiting for the freight to get unloaded? The owners, So the owner should get some of the D-time too. Now as far as the FSC if the driver is paying the fuel I can understand your point. But lets be fair, the driver should also pay the Fuel taxs too then. The owners have no control on where the drivers buy fuel.

What cracks me up is teams drivers in the paper get .38 cpm to be spilt and that is a big truck. Drivers in a C or D unit gets 20% of the load which works out to be .28 cpm each based on a $1.40 a mile load. Maybe owners should go to paying the drivers by the loaded mile or all paids miles. I'm all for paying a man or woman a fare wage. But Damm you can't have it all. If you want it all go buy your own darn truck.

Who sits on their arse in front of the TV while the truck is waiting to get unloaded? The owners.

BTW... a truck doesn't "wait" for anything. A truck is an inanimate object, and therefore cannot wait. Poor excuse for the owner getting any detention while he's likely eating cheezy poofs and watching Dancing with the Stars. Yep... pads, dollies, pallet jacks, etc. are bought for by the owner. They are used by the driver(s). You wanna continuously be paid for having bought them? I suggest you remove them so you don't have to worry about the loads those items continue to get you. I think they pay for themselves with those loads. Liftgate, I agree with. Those continue to incur costs. Fuel tax, also agreed. Whoever buys the fuel pays the tax.

We are not in the big truck industry. We are specialized. We do not get the miles most big trucks get. If you want to split .38/mi, I suggest you advertise in one of the truckstop bathroom rags. But most truckers can't handle expediting. Therefore, you pay for it.

BTW... I got tired of cheapskate owners. Now I drive my own truck, and give myself 100% of accessorials.

 

[arkjarhead]

If you have to hand unload something you should get paid for it. If you have to tarp a load you should get paid for it. My boss charged customers 120 bucks for me to tarp a load. He gave me twenty of it. I could tarp most loads in about an hour and a half. That meant I made 13.33 per hour while tarping. Not to shabby, but he invested hundereds of dollars in lumber and steel tarps and bungee cords that constantly break. Anytime I needed more bungee I'd pick up a box and he reimbursed me therefore he was due some of the funds.

 

[LDB]

My drivers get a 60% plus 100% of the fsc plus 100% of the people pay plus 50% of the time pay and equipment pay. People pay is things like hand load where they are doing the work. If I happen to be at the same shipper/cons or the same swap point for my own swap and I help them do the work then I deserve part of the money. Otherwise I don't deserve a penny of that money. Time pay is detention or layover. Time pay is to compensate partially for lost revenue opportunities due to excess time incurred in the current load. Some would argue the owner shouldn't get any of that however lost revenue time affects the truck owner and operators equally so the money should be split equally. Equipment pay is things like liftgate. The owner has significant funds invested as well as ongoing maintenance expenses on the equipment. The operators are doing some form of labor or the liftgate wouldn't be used. Therefore they should split the funds. These are my opinion and the system I operate under. YMMV.

 

[LDB]

Ark, your boss should have given you $100 of it at least since you are the one doing 100% of the manual labor and really to be fair he should have given you the full $120 unless he was there doing part of the work. My .02

 

[butterfly610]

I just meant the driver should get all the pay if they are actually "hand" loading or unloading. See, we don't have a liftgate, pallet jack, pads...etc. If we're doing any loading or unloading, it's by hand. We've used customers pallet jacks for stuff, and never even mention about doing it ourselves. Isn't that big a deal.

I do still think the driver should get all the detention time though. There's been times where you're waiting for several hours at a shipper...the driver is the one that might have to stay up really late or all night that night because of it, the driver is the one that might not have been able to get groceries yet and is sitting waiting for the load to be ready while being maybe very hungry. You never know the situation they're in, and I just think they should get it. It's not like it ever amounts to much is what I'm saying....so why can't an owner be a little kind, and give it to the driver for their trouble. The owner might make 15 dollars extra, and that 15 dollars might really help some drivers in some situations. Ones who just started and are down on their luck. I'm not saying screw the owner, they deserve to make money too....it's their truck. I'm just saying, things like full detention and loading and unloading make a difference to a driver.

 

[arkjarhead]

Ark, your boss should have given you $100 of it at least since you are the one doing 100% of the manual labor and really to be fair he should have given you the full $120 unless he was there doing part of the work. My .02

Well I paid my wife's car payment and the water bill every month off of that tarp pay. Tarp pay is kind of like an in between equipment and people thing. It takes a person to do it, but have you ever priced a set of lumber tarps made out of the light weight material? They aren't cheap. You take what you can get. I'm not one to complain.

Leo, I don't like to brag but I think you would enjoy me working for you if I could. I don't complain. As long as I don't get treated sub-human and I am compensated fairly I don't complain. Even if I think something isnt right I take it up with you in a civil manner while I continue to do my job. Not to sound arrogant but if I were working for you I would consider us somewhat partners. I always have with my employers. I'm helping you make money and you are helping me make money. I have to have a certain amount to pay my bills, but so do you. If everyone is taking to much and wasting fuel and you go under then I'm out a good job all because I was a donkey. We have to work together. You know the "Were in this together" mentality. Plus I have a satisfactory work history with your carrier on my DAC report.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Leo and I seem to be on the same page, except for detention. I don't understand what it has anything to do with an owner. The owner isn't waiting for anything. The driver is the one who pressed the little qc buttons to accept the load, therefore, they should recieve any differences resulting from that. They are the ones frustrated because their load isn't ready.

I could even argue dh and layover going to the driver, if they're paying for fuel. Otherwise, whatever their normal split is is fine. Ppl will argue wear and tear. I say quit being so trivial.

 

[butterfly610]

I agree with you Ark. I don't think a driver should complain and have the mentality that leaves the owner out of the equation. I think the owner has a big investment and deserve to make good money out of the deal. I also don't ever complain to my owners, or the carrier for that matter. I try and talk about things in a kind, respectful manner. That's just who I am. I'm a very easy person to please. Although i didn't agree with the pay for the unloading, because it was very hard work....not to mention out in the snow and rain all in one day, I didn't even bring it up to my boss. I just take what I'm given, unless it's wrong, and am thankful that I get treated with the same respect and kindness that I give to them. I just was saying what I would do if I had drivers, because I know what it's like at times.

 

[LDB]

I give my team all d/h money even though it adds miles to my truck because they are paying the fuel and d/h money in almost all cases at best covers the fuel and usually doesn't quite fully cover fuel.

The last time I checked there were the same 24 hours in a day for the drivers, the equipment and for me. Detention pay is to compensate for lost time which is also lost revenue opportunity. It's the same amount of time lost on the use of my equipment and my income time as it is for the drivers time. I don't believe the drivers are the only ones who have value to their time. If they weren't held up the could potentially be on another job and making money for both of us. I don't think it's unfair to share the time pay for detention any more than the time pay for the job itself. While jobs are always discussed in $x.xx per mile part of that money is also for the time involved to do that job. Time is money. It's no less unfair to not apply some value to the owner's time than it is to apply less than 100% value to the drivers manual labor.

 

[Bruno]

Who sits on their arse in front of the TV while the truck is waiting to get unloaded? The owners.

BTW... a truck doesn't "wait" for anything. A truck is an inanimate object, and therefore cannot wait. Poor excuse for the owner getting any detention while he's likely eating cheezy poofs and watching Dancing with the Stars. Yep... pads, dollies, pallet jacks, etc. are bought for by the owner. They are used by the driver(s). You wanna continuously be paid for having bought them? I suggest you remove them so you don't have to worry about the loads those items continue to get you. I think they pay for themselves with those loads. Liftgate, I agree with. Those continue to incur costs. Fuel tax, also agreed. Whoever buys the fuel pays the tax.

We are not in the big truck industry. We are specialized. We do not get the miles most big trucks get. If you want to split .38/mi, I suggest you advertise in one of the truckstop bathroom rags. But most truckers can't handle expediting. Therefore, you pay for it.

BTW... I got tired of cheapskate owners. Now I drive my own truck, and give myself 100% of accessorials.

Your wrong Hawk, You think owners keep the same pads and straps in the truck for 10 years. I dont know about you, but pads need to be cleaned and some need to be replaced. You have to replace the equitment when it breaks. White Glove equitment is not cheap, a skinnny Bun for a CR or DR can cost almost $3000.00. I had to pay out over $4700.00 White Glove equitment for and ER unit with Fedex and that was just some of it.

Some people think owners and Fleet managers are just sitting watching TV, your damm wrong. I get out here and do the same job you do. And BTW Yes truck owner should get some of the D-time it's the customer that is holding that truck up and the drivers from getting there next load. Keeping the truck owner also from making money. Look at the big picture my friend. I'm Glad to see you an Owner now Hawk. Now you will be able to see form the other side of the fence.

 

[cheri1122]

Butterfly, I think you should have been given all the 'unload' pay. That is a 'people' pay, not an 'equipment' pay, and the owner contributed nothing to the work.
Perhaps if you ask, the owner will realize that the money should be handed over, especially if you are a 'good' driver - and it sounds like you are. Good luck!

 

[cheri1122]

Hey Bruno - what in the heck is a "skinny bun"?!

 

[Bruno]

Butterfly, I think you should have been given all the 'unload' pay. That is a 'people' pay, not an 'equipment' pay, and the owner contributed nothing to the work.
Perhaps if you ask, the owner will realize that the money should be handed over, especially if you are a 'good' driver - and it sounds like you are. Good luck!

I would have to agree with you Cheri. The team in the ER unit called me and said that the customer wanted then to unload the truck by hand. The load was 25000lbs of computer equitment and it was on wheels. I ask the driver what Fedex was was paying the truck to do that, which was $550.00. I gave the drivers $500.00 of that and they got half of the D time because it based on a 4 hour minimem. They was there an hour. They each made over $300.00 extra for doing that, the owner made $65.00. So not all owners or fleet mangers are cheap.

 

[Bruno]

Hey Bruno - what in the heck is a "skinny bun"?!

Its a wall that can be used in a refer unit to make one side of the box cold and the other side at room air. It straps into the E-Track on the box. They are really nice to have, if you have a small load, your refer doesn't have to cool the whole box either. You can put it up and just cool the part where the freight is at, that way the refer is not working as hard.

 

[cheri1122]

Bruno, I know they're not all cheap, or dishonest, or greedy, etc. because the owners I drive for are fair and good people.
What I don't know, though, is what a "skinny bun" is!!!