10,000 More Jobs to be Cut at GM
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chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
We all have yelled and blamed GM, Chysler, Ford and the UAW and the Government...Fact is all of them share in the blame, BUT the american people have also contributed just as well. Buying the foreign cars weren't the smartest thing we have done over time, it has finally comeback to bite us. Now my wife owns a Lexus, has owned a nissan, so I am not blameless here. Some will say if the AM companies had just built better products we wouldn't have bought imports...thats all well and good, but the fact is the practice of buying imports as got us... and now we are paying for it.
Chef,
There is a local GM dealer - Tom Gill Chevrolet...he has been running a TV ad that says "It doesn't matter if you buy a GM, Chrysler or Ford...BUY AMERICAN" A GM dealer is promoting his fellow American brands. That is the time we are in.
The question is...are you willing to change your habits to help our manufacturing? Obama backed off the "BUY AMERICAN" clause in the Stimulus package. How ironic...a US President cowers to promote his own nation. That was a cowardly act IMHO!
Apparently not, it's not just the American manufacturers suffering.
Toyota heads for worst loss since '50 - Autos- msnbc.com
aileron
Expert Expediter
Nissan cuts 20000, but not in the US yet.
Nissan to slash 20,000 jobs and sees annual loss - Kansas City Star
To be honest, I always wanted to buy american products. I owned a few Fords as well as a Honda and a few Volkswagens. American cars don't come anywhere close in quality with the Japanese cars. So for me, I will not buy an american car until they start producing quality cars that get good fuel mileage like the japanese cars (some).
I don't get it. I just came from vacation in Europe and there Chrysler sells a minivan with a diesel engine. I would have bought one of those if they would have been available here. Ford also sells some minivans and cars with a diesel engine that I would have bought if only they were selling them here. Too bad, let them go bankrupt and then someone else take over and bring some quality cars out.....
Nissan to slash 20,000 jobs and sees annual loss - Kansas City Star
To be honest, I always wanted to buy american products. I owned a few Fords as well as a Honda and a few Volkswagens. American cars don't come anywhere close in quality with the Japanese cars. So for me, I will not buy an american car until they start producing quality cars that get good fuel mileage like the japanese cars (some).
I don't get it. I just came from vacation in Europe and there Chrysler sells a minivan with a diesel engine. I would have bought one of those if they would have been available here. Ford also sells some minivans and cars with a diesel engine that I would have bought if only they were selling them here. Too bad, let them go bankrupt and then someone else take over and bring some quality cars out.....
General Motors announced this weekend that the pace car for Sunday's Daytona 500 will be the 2010 Camaro SS muscle car that is scheduled to go into production next month at the GM plant in Oshawa.
Said Daytona president Robin Braig: "Chevy has been a great partner of the Daytona 500 for more than 30 years and the Camaro is an automotive icon. This 2010 model will set the tone for a 21st century sports car and that's a perfect fit to lead the pack at the 'Great American Race.'"
This is really good news for two reasons:
1) General Motors is not leaving Canada, as had been feared in recent days, and by promoting this particular model, which will be built exclusively in Oshawa, it is promoting employment in this country. Bravo.
2) I really was afraid the pace car might turn out to be the Chevrolet Volt, the electric car GM is also bringing online, also in '10. Electric cars are great for cities and suburbs, not so great for speedways and the wide-open Trans-Canada.
Said Daytona president Robin Braig: "Chevy has been a great partner of the Daytona 500 for more than 30 years and the Camaro is an automotive icon. This 2010 model will set the tone for a 21st century sports car and that's a perfect fit to lead the pack at the 'Great American Race.'"
This is really good news for two reasons:
1) General Motors is not leaving Canada, as had been feared in recent days, and by promoting this particular model, which will be built exclusively in Oshawa, it is promoting employment in this country. Bravo.
2) I really was afraid the pace car might turn out to be the Chevrolet Volt, the electric car GM is also bringing online, also in '10. Electric cars are great for cities and suburbs, not so great for speedways and the wide-open Trans-Canada.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Lawrence, You are right, we need to change our ways, that is why I said "I am not blameless in this", I talked to my wife a while agi and told her that within the next year her Lexas had to go and she could drive anything she wanted as long as it was from one of the American car comonaies, and I didn't mean a toyota bulit here. Yes there are imports built here that have more american made "content" then some American company cars.. no one will dispute that, but the fact is more money stays here when we buy from ford gm and chysler...even when you take in the fact that the employees of the transplant auto companies are building their products here and their employees are paying local and fed taxes, more still stays here with an american company.
As for toyota laying off employees, sure they are being hurt by this economic down turn, but I'd rather hurt their buttom line then an american company... thats just me, not saying yoi should feel the same way...
As for those cars and vans that GM, Ford, and Chysler build in europe that we can't get here, Thank the fed government here for all of the EPA and safrty rules that are imposed on our products that europe doesn't impose on them over there.
The cost to stay in compliance with all of the government imposed BS here restricts what we can get and adds to the cost of the stuff that is built here. So again, thank the liberals in the government.. it is them that feel the need to protect us that has restricted the products we have and those we can't get.....
As for toyota laying off employees, sure they are being hurt by this economic down turn, but I'd rather hurt their buttom line then an american company... thats just me, not saying yoi should feel the same way...
As for those cars and vans that GM, Ford, and Chysler build in europe that we can't get here, Thank the fed government here for all of the EPA and safrty rules that are imposed on our products that europe doesn't impose on them over there.
The cost to stay in compliance with all of the government imposed BS here restricts what we can get and adds to the cost of the stuff that is built here. So again, thank the liberals in the government.. it is them that feel the need to protect us that has restricted the products we have and those we can't get.....
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I bought a new 1983 Caprice "Classic". (totally unreliable from day one).
The first thing I noticed on the vehicle when I pu at the dealership was the proud sticker on the windshield proclaiming the vechicle was made somewhere (I forget where) at one of the Canadian plants.
Lawrence, blame the arrogance and the indifferent attitude towards the American Consumer on Detroit. Both the management and the bloated unions.
How dare anybody tell the American consumer to keep buying overpriced junk instead of quality.
The big 3 had over 20 yrs to change and refused to do it, thinking that if they could make the public feel guilty about buying quality, then the road would go one forever.
Like it or not, we are going through an economic correction (read: horrible recession) and only the strong will survive. No matter how much money the govt. throws at the problem.
That's just the way it is.
The first thing I noticed on the vehicle when I pu at the dealership was the proud sticker on the windshield proclaiming the vechicle was made somewhere (I forget where) at one of the Canadian plants.
Lawrence, blame the arrogance and the indifferent attitude towards the American Consumer on Detroit. Both the management and the bloated unions.
How dare anybody tell the American consumer to keep buying overpriced junk instead of quality.
The big 3 had over 20 yrs to change and refused to do it, thinking that if they could make the public feel guilty about buying quality, then the road would go one forever.
Like it or not, we are going through an economic correction (read: horrible recession) and only the strong will survive. No matter how much money the govt. throws at the problem.
That's just the way it is.
dennis your argument holds no water....the automakers funded the Mexico plants with profits made off the American buyer...the money does not stay here....
Jack_Berry
Moderator Emeritus
last week i heard some ford pr hack on the jim bohanon show. she was saying that diesel is not the solution and that america suffers n ightmares from the crap engines put out in that decade. my answer to that is if you would sell to the domestic market the engines you offer in europe you can win people back. otoh the fuel companies have raised the price of diesel to the pint where gas engines and diesel operate from the fuel tank at about the same cost per mile. what is senseless is that the dodge caliber and the chrysler mininvan diesels are made on the same assembly line as the domestic gassers.
the ford flack also stated that diesels have a difficult time with new emissions rules. funny that mb, vw and bmw can make an engine that qualfes in 50 states and that subaru, toyota and honda have diesel engines ready to come to this country. makes the flack look bad that american ingenuity is not as good as european. you woud think the auto makers would get dizzy spinning around so much.
When a manufacturer has to resort to appealing to one's desire to be patriotic to sell their product, they are admitting failure to produce a product that they can sell on it's own merits.
Tough as it is to see the demise of the mighty Big 3, America will never prosper by promoting failure - we need to determine what's wrong, and fix it.
If we want to buy American, then we need to work towards recreating the manufacturing capability that's been lost over the years to the appetite for profits. Blame the unions, (especially the UAW) if you like, but ultimately, it's management that needs to change the way they do business, or go out of business.
Tough as it is to see the demise of the mighty Big 3, America will never prosper by promoting failure - we need to determine what's wrong, and fix it.
If we want to buy American, then we need to work towards recreating the manufacturing capability that's been lost over the years to the appetite for profits. Blame the unions, (especially the UAW) if you like, but ultimately, it's management that needs to change the way they do business, or go out of business.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
OVM, i'll give you that ALL of the US auto makers have foreign investment, just as the foreign auto companies have invetments here. But the fact it the dollars spend here with US companies go into our economy HERE before they go to the foreign investments, much as the employess of the transplant foreign plants here pay taxes on the money they make here, yes it stays here, but the profits go back to the foreign country.
Believe me, When i bought a nissan and a lexis it was because i wanted a better product then i could get from a US car company. I could afford to buy whatever i wanted. I spent my money with a foreign car maker... as i said, I am not blameless, But I won't do it again......Thats me, and as I said, no one should do the same, you do what works for you, I feel I screwed up and now its coming back to bite the US car industry. Would my 2 purchases have made a difference, he8ll no, and yes the auto companies and the uniuons share the blame too, but so do people like me that bought the imports....
Believe me, When i bought a nissan and a lexis it was because i wanted a better product then i could get from a US car company. I could afford to buy whatever i wanted. I spent my money with a foreign car maker... as i said, I am not blameless, But I won't do it again......Thats me, and as I said, no one should do the same, you do what works for you, I feel I screwed up and now its coming back to bite the US car industry. Would my 2 purchases have made a difference, he8ll no, and yes the auto companies and the uniuons share the blame too, but so do people like me that bought the imports....
Jack_Berry
Moderator Emeritus
i bought my tdi because there was no amercan choice.
what is pathetic is i had a 1980 vw jetta 5 spd that got 25city-30 hwy mpg. 29 years later manufacturers are proclaiming 33 mpg hwy. that's the best that can be done in almost 30 years of work?
what is pathetic is i had a 1980 vw jetta 5 spd that got 25city-30 hwy mpg. 29 years later manufacturers are proclaiming 33 mpg hwy. that's the best that can be done in almost 30 years of work?
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
cheri, I for one would not disagree with you at all on that. I was and still am for letting them go Bankrupt and comeback restructured with new management and better labor contracts. LOL, when that was said before the bailout, thise opposed to the BK even in government said the country couldn't let that happen. now it seems that is exactly what the government is going to let happen.....
Jack, you had to love those old jettas! As for the mileage getting any better, the americans for the most oart didn't care about the mileage, nit until they felt it when the price of gas went up. Then they screamed, but even now, since the price has fallen below 2 bucks a gallon, truck and suv sales are back up........not where they were, but better then they were when the priced hit 3-4 bucks....so the auto companies only gave the people what they wanted, and that ius what they are suppose to do. It is not the companies place to dictae to the consumer, it is just the other way around... so the mileage never got to the point it could have....
Jack, you had to love those old jettas! As for the mileage getting any better, the americans for the most oart didn't care about the mileage, nit until they felt it when the price of gas went up. Then they screamed, but even now, since the price has fallen below 2 bucks a gallon, truck and suv sales are back up........not where they were, but better then they were when the priced hit 3-4 bucks....so the auto companies only gave the people what they wanted, and that ius what they are suppose to do. It is not the companies place to dictae to the consumer, it is just the other way around... so the mileage never got to the point it could have....
Jack_Berry
Moderator Emeritus
cd, honda for one kept changing the civic and increasing mileage. gm and ford went from boxy car to boxy car with the s.o.s. mentality. it caught up to them.
resale value also is better with non american cars. which american vehicles have good resale year in and year out? ford f150, certain caddys, and the vette.
resale value also is better with non american cars. which american vehicles have good resale year in and year out? ford f150, certain caddys, and the vette.
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I bought a new 1983 Caprice "Classic". (totally unreliable from day one).
The first thing I noticed on the vehicle when I pu at the dealership was the proud sticker on the windshield proclaiming the vechicle was made somewhere (I forget where) at one of the Canadian plants.
Lawrence, blame the arrogance and the indifferent attitude towards the American Consumer on Detroit. Both the management and the bloated unions.
How dare anybody tell the American consumer to keep buying overpriced junk instead of quality.
The big 3 had over 20 yrs to change and refused to do it, thinking that if they could make the public feel guilty about buying quality, then the road would go one forever.
Like it or not, we are going through an economic correction (read: horrible recession) and only the strong will survive. No matter how much money the govt. throws at the problem.
That's just the way it is.
What he said /\.. and Cheri and several others here. Some of the crap the big three sold in the late seventies and the early eighties wouldn't even make it off the car lot. They started making a come back in the 1990s.. but the UAW and all the miss management at the top continues to crush them. They, all three, have had their market share here and abroad for the last 10-15 years.
Lets not forget how those a$$holes showed up in Washington last month to beg for money. They're so out of touch it never crossed their mind that flying one person in a full sized jet (Not a Lear) to Washington would not look good.
And I won't soon forget that Ford (my favorite of the three) let my pregnant wife drive around on bad tires because some number crunchers at ford told them that it would be cheaper to Let People DIE and deal with the law suits than to have a recall.
Last time I checked we were still capitalist.. let the strong survive!
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I bought a new 1983 Caprice "Classic". (totally unreliable from day one).
The first thing I noticed on the vehicle when I pu at the dealership was the proud sticker on the windshield proclaiming the vechicle was made somewhere (I forget where) at one of the Canadian plants.
Lawrence, blame the arrogance and the indifferent attitude towards the American Consumer on Detroit. Both the management and the bloated unions.
How dare anybody tell the American consumer to keep buying overpriced junk instead of quality.
The big 3 had over 20 yrs to change and refused to do it, thinking that if they could make the public feel guilty about buying quality, then the road would go one forever.
Like it or not, we are going through an economic correction (read: horrible recession) and only the strong will survive. No matter how much money the govt. throws at the problem.
That's just the way it is.
What he said /\.. and Cheri and several others here. Some of the crap the big three sold in the late seventies and the early eighties wouldn't even make it off the car lot. They started making a come back in the 1990s.. but the UAW and all the miss management at the top continues to crush them. They, all three, have had their market share here and abroad for the last 10-15 years.
Lets not forget how those a$$holes showed up in Washington last month to beg for money. They're so out of touch it never crossed their mind that flying one person in a full sized jet (Not a Lear) to Washington would not look good.
And I won't soon forget that Ford (my favorite of the three) let my pregnant wife drive around on bad tires because some number crunchers at ford told them that it would be cheaper to Let People DIE and deal with the law suits than to have a recall.
Last time I checked we were still capitalist.. let the strong survive!
Shame on us all !!
Be American, Buy American.
How about the TV you bought ?? The Microwave ??
Your cell phone ??
yada yada yada.
I say: "Buy Quality, and the market will reward those who care ! "
Those who frequent the trouph more than they should, will eventually disappear due to being too greedy and looking for something somebody else paid for.
Show me a successful expediter and I will show you someone who cares about qaulity.
Down with the free meal !!
Be American, Buy American.
How about the TV you bought ?? The Microwave ??
Your cell phone ??
yada yada yada.
I say: "Buy Quality, and the market will reward those who care ! "
Those who frequent the trouph more than they should, will eventually disappear due to being too greedy and looking for something somebody else paid for.
Show me a successful expediter and I will show you someone who cares about qaulity.
Down with the free meal !!
Spent half a day looking for a toaster US made...nada...close as I got was Mexico....
pelicn
Veteran Expediter
Simplistic view here....
If you buy GM, Ford, Chrysler, are you putting American workers to work?
If you buy Toyota, are you putting American workers to work?
Like it or not, we are global now. The US has lost much of it's manufacturing. If we aren't producing widgets then where do we get our money? "You want fries with that?" only goes as far as there is money to buy them.
If you buy GM, Ford, Chrysler, are you putting American workers to work?
If you buy Toyota, are you putting American workers to work?
Like it or not, we are global now. The US has lost much of it's manufacturing. If we aren't producing widgets then where do we get our money? "You want fries with that?" only goes as far as there is money to buy them.