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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Canadian Van owners will not get the per diem/meal allowance anymore..The sentence in bold tells it all. This is one reason why I don't waste my money on lobby groups like the CTA or OOIDA becuase they only cater to the big trucks.

OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(CCNMatthews - March 19, 2007) - Today's federal budget, introduced in the House of Commons by finance minister, Jim Flaherty, had something for everyone, including truck drivers. Starting immediately the federal government will begin to restore the meal tax deductibility for long-haul truck drivers (or the company that reimburses them) to 80% from the 50% level it has been at since 1994. The breakdown for the incremental increases is: 60% starting March 19, 65% in 2008, 70% in 2009, 75% in 2010, and 80% after 2010. This benefit will be partially offset by a gradual reduction in the input tax credit for GST and HST on meals. To be eligible, drivers must be away for at least 24 consecutive hours, and the purpose of the trip is to transport goods beyond a 160 km radius from the home location; in addition, the vehicle must have a GVWR of greater than 11,788 kgs.

For the Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) which has been fighting for the restoration of the 80% deduction, for more than a dozen years, this was welcome news. It had been a feature of virtually every CTA pre-budget submission during that period. The report of the Standing Committee on Finance tabled at the end of 2006, noted the need to finally address this matter. Most recently, CTA joined forces with Teamsters Canada and the Owner-Operator's Business Association of Canada, in launching the End the Lunch Bag Letdown campaign where truck drivers sent thousands of post cards to the finance minister calling upon him to restore the 80% deduction.

"This is a clear, decisive victory for the hardworking Canadian men and women of the trucking industry," says David Bradley, CEO, Canadian Trucking Alliance. "This is a good move."

"It proves once again," he says, "that if you believe in your cause and it is just, that you make reasonable arguments, if you work with other groups having the same objective, and most of all if you are persistent you can prevail upon government to do the right thing. You have to be in it for the long haul and you have to have a government that is willing to listen."

There were other measures of interest to the trucking industry. For example, the budget included $16 billion in new infrastructure funding, most of which starts in FY 2010-2011 and which will include new funding (funding not announced in 2006) of $6 billion over four years for a new Building Canada Fund. From now until 2010, all funding programs announced in 2006 are being folded into various funds, including the Building Canada fund and the fund for gateways and border crossings (including funding for the Windsor-Detroit corridor and the Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor).
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Bad news for our Canadian colleagues and it would be equally unwelcomed news for us vanners in the U.S.A. Our standard meal allowance deduction, or the actual meal expense deduction for the gourmand among us, has been a large contributer to our bottom line.

This Canadian message might be an omen for all the U.S.A. OTR van operators who ride the coattails of the industry, but never make their voice heard at the lobbying groups such as OOIDA. If we don't join ranks with the "truckers", we, and our vans, will never be considered as part of that group during pending legislation. Canadian van operators appear to still be able to get a meal tax deduction, but at the lesser rate applied to traveling salemen and other commercial travelers.
 

bryan

Veteran Expediter
Hi

I can see alot of van drivers cheating on their taxes in CND.I can also see this putting a serious hurting on companies like Line Drive,TST and Roaring Express.As no one is going to want to run vans any more.

I can see US based expedited carriers putting more pressure on their drivers to run Canada.This will also give them an excuse to over hire.They will say that they can't find enough trucks to cross the border and that their is a huge market.What they will not tell everbody is that expedited loads into and out of Canada are more unpredictable than US to US loads.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm sure that I've read somewhere that, in the U.S., per diem is for drivers subject to HOS regulations.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I don't think that's true YET, Star, because EO's own tax expert doesn't see it that way, but we ought to keep an eye on the issue. Per diem has a lot more to do with time away from home than the GVWR. It needs to be preserved for van drivers, most of whom have less meal preparation facilities onboard.
 

RobA

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I suggest that nobody read anything into this. The Harper Government is in a minority position. It sweetened many pots in hopes that the voters will want to vote Conservative the next time out.
One group of voters was LONG HAUL TRUCKERS. They received a little "goody" in the recent budget increasing their per diem tax allowance. I believe it is a staged increase as well.

There are relatively few LONG HAUL TRUCKERS who drive vans.
That is the reason for the definition in the Finance Department papers; it is a bureaucratic reference point to decide who gets to claim the "goody" on their tax returns.

The US allowance was, I believe, much higher.
 

RobA

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
>Hi
>I can see US based expedited carriers putting more pressure
>on their drivers to run Canada.This will also give them an
>excuse to over hire.They will say that they can't find
>enough trucks to cross the border and that their is a huge
>market.What they will not tell everbody is that expedited
>loads into and out of Canada are more unpredictable than US
>to US loads.


Bryan; I don't seriously think that a small redefinition of a minor tax break is really going to cause US based expediters to over hire vans. The Canadian-based vans are already out on the road.
Van expediting isn't as big up here anyways. Most are in 3 or 5 ton trucks. There are a few; but if you look on the door of many TST Expedite vans you'll see DETROIT MI as the base city. Those are US drivers; Canadian drivers are based in Windsor ON.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Rob...Yes the per diem is in staged increases but theres no reference as to when the GVWR is going into effect...I guess a good accountant is going to have to do some research. The GVWR is the same platform the Ontario goverment uses for the PRP plate which I found to be unfair because as a small business peson I couldn't get the Ontario tax breaks say someone with a dump truck would get. ei: no provincial tax on repairs and such
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The Internal Revenue Service revised the meal allowance several years ago in response to the abuses of the so called "three martini lunch"
Over the past few years the percent of the total deduction has steadily increased. Hours ofservice has nothing to do with it. I only log when carrying hazmat but I am leased to a For Hire Motor Carrier that is regulated by the D.O.T.

I always thought that a three martini lunch was a bit excessive. One and maybe two, but never three. Besides truckstop martinis usually come with a drop of diesel fuel instead of vermouth and no olives.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
>This is one
>reason why I don't waste my money on lobby groups like the
>CTA or OOIDA becuase they only cater to the big trucks.
>

This is another good example of why things like this can happen. Too many people that are so myopic they can't see how participating in OOIDA helps everyone. Far more than $25 a year is wasted on various things. OOIDA membership doesn't have to cost over $25 annually if done right and that isn't wasted money! The ATA caters to big truck companies. OOIDA caters to no one and works for everyone in our industry whether owner or driver.

Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

tmbm

Seasoned Expediter
If you driver OTR you can take the deduction. The problem with taking the deduction as a van driver is proving the time away from home. Without a log book that is a little harder to prove. Also the percentage is different depending on if your under DOT HOS regulations. But if you are away from home overnight with your job, doesn't matter what the industry is, you can take the deduction.
 

joebob1_30132

Expert Expediter
fairtax.com ..Incometax should be unlawfull ..No Government should have the right to take your hard earned money from the sweat of your brow.... Sales tax knows no income brackett color creed or religeon.
Everyone is taxed eaqually when you purchase something.
No deductions, a very small IRS,no complicatedtax filings.
If a CEO of Ford buys a big boat he is taxed at the same percent as me buying a a dingy. Take your money away from The Federallies and you take back power.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I never really thought about income vs sales tax till Greg posted a link to Fairtax, but the more I think about it now, the more a sales tax seems the only way to straighten out the mess the IRS has become.
 

joebob1_30132

Expert Expediter
>Joebob,
>
>You are sooooo wrong, There IS NO IRS with the FairTax!!!!

Thanks Greg... I stand corrected ...Which makes the fair tax even better.
 

joebob1_30132

Expert Expediter
> I never really thought about income vs sales tax till Greg
>posted a link to Fairtax, but the more I think about it now,
>the more a sales tax seems the only way to straighten out
>the mess the IRS has become.

Good thinking Cherrii:9 :9 ;) ..we all have to "NIP" this tax thing in the bud
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
One of the benefits of being an owner operator is the numerous tax deductions available to us. Use them to your advantage.
 

Fkatz

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
you maybe next!"
Apr-10-07, 09:42 AM (EDT)
Canadian Van owners will not get the per diem/meal allowance anymore..The sentence in bold tells it all. This is one reason why I don't waste my money on lobby groups like the CTA or OOIDA becuase they only cater to the big trucks.
OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(CCNMatthews - March 19, 2007) - Today's federal budget, introduced in the House of Commons by finance minister, Jim Flaherty, had something for everyone, including truck drivers. Starting immediately the federal government will begin to restore the meal tax deductibility for long-haul truck drivers (or the company that reimburses them) to 80% from the 50% level it has been at since 1994. The breakdown for the incremental increases is: 60% starting March 19, 65% in 2008, 70% in 2009, 75% in 2010, and 80% after 2010. This benefit will be partially offset by a gradual reduction in the input tax credit for GST and HST on meals. To be eligible, drivers must be away for at least 24 consecutive hours, and the purpose of the trip is to transport goods beyond a 160 km radius from the home location; in addition, the vehicle must have a GVWR of greater than 11,788 kgs.

For the Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) which has been fighting for the restoration of the 80% deduction, for more than a dozen years, this was welcome news. It had been a feature of virtually every CTA pre-budget submission during that period. The report of the Standing Committee on Finance tabled at the end of 2006, noted the need to finally address this matter. Most recently, CTA joined forces with Teamsters Canada and the Owner-Operator's Business Association of Canada, in launching the End the Lunch Bag Letdown campaign where truck drivers sent thousands of post cards to the finance minister calling upon him to restore the 80% deduction.

"This is a clear, decisive victory for the hardworking Canadian men and women of the trucking industry," says David Bradley, CEO, Canadian Trucking Alliance. "This is a good move."

"It proves once again," he says, "that if you believe in your cause and it is just, that you make reasonable arguments, if you work with other groups having the same objective, and most of all if you are persistent you can prevail upon government to do the right thing. You have to be in it for the long haul and you have to have a government that is willing to listen."

There were other measures of interest to the trucking industry. For example, the budget included $16 billion in new infrastructure funding, most of which starts in FY 2010-2011 and which will include new funding (funding not announced in 2006) of $6 billion over four years for a new Building Canada Fund. From now until 2010, all funding programs announced in 2006 are being folded into various funds, including the Building Canada fund and the fund for gateways and border crossings (including funding for the Windsor-Detroit corridor and the Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor).


B unit Sprinter
5 years
Cross border Specialist


OntarioVanMan,
I have a question? Since I do not drive anymore due to Doctors Orders and just specialize in truckers income tax preparation,accounting and bookkeeping now, and the moderator of the tax forum here on EO, How many US lbs is 11,788 KGs. I know its 100 KM for 60 mph. but never converted lbs.

Here in the US if you are leased to a carrier, who is subject to DOT Regulations, you have the right to deduct the per diem deductions.
According OVM Canada is restoring the Per diem to 80% which started March 19, at 60% and up 5% per year until it reaches 80%. Canada dropped it to 50% in 1994 with no increases until now.

You have to remember that we were reduced to 55% in 1998 and over the next 10 Years would be increased to 80% in 2008 at 5% every 2 years. This was in the Tax laws that were passed in 1997.
Gotta run, have a cleint in the office right now to do there tax return

Be safe out there,

OOIDA member 640573

Franklin Katz,ATP
Frank's tax and Business Service
226 S, Cherokee St
Kings Mountain, NC 28086
739-4039
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
2.2 lbs/kg.
I don't know where they come up with a number like 11,788. It comes out to 25,933.6 :p


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