You gotta do it or go to jail

LDB

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davekc

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If anyone has been persecuted it's the gays...let's be honest here....not been good for them...EVER..

for something that is not even there choice..

So are you saying you want two wrongs to make a right?
 

asjssl

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Fleet Owner
So are you saying you want two wrongs to make a right?

Huh..no..if you want to claim persecution...let's be correct in who is being persecuted..

Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another individual or group.
 

Turtle

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I guarantee you that if these two ordained minsters were running a hardware store the city wouldn't allow them to refuse to sell items to gays, either. It's not like The Hitching Post Wedding Chapel is a religious institution, like a church, it's a place where people get married by ordained ministers using a traditional, religious ceremony, no different than getting married by Elvis in Vegas. If these two gays want that, then the two ordained ministers should provide the service, including the traditional, religious ceremony, making no compromises whatsoever, thereby making a farce out of their wedding.
 

xmudman

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Lest we forget what discrimination really is/was. I have never seen a sign, even in Mississippi, banning gay people from eating, sitting, buying a soda, etc.

Requiring a clergyman to disobey the tenets of his religion, is to my mind unethical. If gays want to marry, a JP can do the job just fine.
 

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LDB

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RLENT

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Management reserves the right to refuse services to anyone for any reason.
You can repeat it until the cows come home, but I guarantee ya if management "refuses service" for race or religion - to name but two - they're gonna have a leetle problemo ...
 

skyraider

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I thought the civil rights act of 1964 stopped things like the statement above?

Its all about the votes that existing officials will get in the future-- its all about the money guys, it always has been- power,position,fame and more money...it isn't because of love for their fellow man, but that's what gets promoted,,,wake up folks, it for the votes................
 

xmudman

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In a FREE country people could do heroin or crack and commit armed robbery without legal consequence ...

Bravo Sierra. The drugs, maybe, because the user is the only direct victim. Armed robbery? Certainly not! Even irreligious decent people reject harming others.
 
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RLENT

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Bravo Sierra. The drugs, maybe, because the user is the only direct victim. Armed robbery? Certainly not! Even irreligious decent people reject harming others.
The point was that in a civil(ized) society based on the rule of law there are limits to freedom ...
 

cheri1122

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Management reserves the right to refuse services to anyone for any reason.

That's precisely the argument used by segregationists and racists who didn't believe black people should be treated the same as whites. [Everybody needs someone to look down on, right?]
The American people didn't buy it then, and we're not buying it now, either. In a clash between beliefs and rights, beliefs [which may or may not be based on reality] must be trumped by rights, because: the Constitution.
It's hard to give up the feeling of superiority that comes from being heterosexual, but it won't hurt you any more than conceding to women and black people hurt you.
Some things are worth conserving, but prejudice against entire groups of good people is a tradition we're better off without.
 
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