WOW!! A TAX on MILES DRIVEN is on the way!?!?

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Forget the fuel tax per gallon, they are thinking you need to be taxed per mile you drive!! Wait, they are still going to keep the fule tax in place also!! LOL, yes trust the Government, they are here to help you!! Oh and they said right there in the artice, they will NOT TRACK WHERE you go, just how far!! Right!!

Kulongoski to pursue mileage tax

By Hasso Hering
Albany Democrat-Herald

A year ago, the Oregon Department of Transportation announced it had demonstrated that a new way to pay for roads — via a mileage tax and satellite technology — could work.

Now Gov. Ted Kulongoski says he’d like the legislature to take the next step.

As part of a transportation-related bill he has filed for the 2009 legislative session, the governor says he plans to recommend “a path to transition away from the gas tax as the central funding source for transportation.”

What that means is explained on the governor’s website:

“As Oregonians drive less and demand more fuel-efficient vehicles, it is increasingly important that the state find a new way, other than the gas tax, to finance our transportation system.”

According to the policies he has outlined online, Kulongoski proposes to continue the work of the special task force that came up with and tested the idea of a mileage tax to replace the gas tax.

The governor wants the task force “to partner with auto manufacturers to refine technology that would enable Oregonians to pay for the transportation system based on how many miles they drive.”

The online outline adds: “The governor is committed to ensuring that rural Oregon is not adversely affected and that privacy concerns are addressed.”

When the task force’s study and test were in the news in 2006 and 2007, critics worried that the technology could be used to track where vehicles go, not just how far they travel, and that this information would somehow be stored by the government.

In more than one interview with the Democrat-Herald and others, James Whitty, the ODOT official in charge of the project, tried to assure the public that tracking people’s travels was not in the plans.

The task force’s final report came out in November 2007. It was based largely on a field test in which about 300 motorists in the Portland area and two service stations took part over

10 months, ending in March 2007.

A GPS-based system kept track of the in-state mileage driven by the volunteers. When they bought fuel, a device in their vehicles was read, and they paid 1.2 cents a mile and got a refund of the state gas tax of 24 cents a gallon.

The final report detailed the technical aspects of the program. It also stressed the issue of privacy.

“The concept requires no transmission of vehicle travel locations, either in real time or of travel history,” the report said. “Accordingly, no travel location points are stored within the vehicle or transmitted elsewhere. Thus there can be no ‘tracking’ of vehicle movements.”

Also, the report said, under the Oregon concept of the program, “ODOT would have no involvement in developing the on-vehicle devices, installing them in vehicles, maintaining them or having any other access to them except, perhaps, in situations involving tampering or similar fee evasion activities.”

Equipment for the Oregon test was developed at Oregon State University.

Whitty said last year it might take about $20 million to establish that the mileage tax is commercially viable. Eventually, GPS devices would have to start being built into cars, and fueling stations would have to be similarly equipped.

The gas tax would stay in force — Kulongoski has proposed that it be raised 2 cents — for vehicles not equipped to pay the mileage tax.

the link to the article, you might want to read the comments from the readers in oregon:

Albany Democrat Herald: Mid-Valley News
 

Turtle

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"Wait, they are still going to keep the fule tax in place also!!"

Yeah, "for vehicles not equipped to pay the mileage tax." You wouldn't be paying a mileage tax and a fuel tax at the same time.

The problem with the mileage tax, among many, is that the 1.2 cents is based on the current 24 cents per gallon at 20 MPG. That actually discourages fuel efficient cars. If you buy a car that gets 40 MPG, your fuel taxes just doubled, because at 40 MPG, 24 cents per gallon only costs you .06 cents per mile instead of 1.2 cents. Vehicles with crappy fuel mileage, like Hummers, will get a huge tax break.

As vehicles become more fuel efficient, and as people drive less, governments are collecting less taxes due to less fuel being bought. So they have to figure out a way to replace that revenue (instead of doing the unthinkable, which is to actually spend less). They'll have to replace it with higher per-mile taxes, or higher per-gallon taxes either way, so why introduce the added expenses and problems with GPS devices to track mileage, since the same exact revenue increases can happen without doing so?

The addition of GPS to track the in-state mileage is at the very least superfluous, akin to building a better mouse trap in fine Rube Goldberg tradition:
Best Rube Goldberg Ever
Except, it will work just like this one:
Rube Goldberg Universal Remote Control Contraption
 

2czykats

Seasoned Expediter
I heard on Fox News today that Obama's team wants to put a gas tax of at least one dollar per gallon for future repairs of roads and they want gas to stay at a minimum of 3.50/per gallon to force the mass's to buy fuel efficient cars and this would help the auto factories also.

They said now with gas low people well go out and buy gas guzzlers and not conserve anymore. I agree that people well forget somewhat but not every SUV and pickup out there is gas guzzling slugs. When fuel was 4.00/gal. wife and I struggled and since it has been 1.50/gal. it has really helped and we don't drive anymore than we did before. This is just a

nother tax that well hurt more than it well help. I tried to make this a new thread but got a piece of brain lodged in my head and could not figure it out.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I also heard the deal about osamaba wanting to tax gas and push the price up to 4 bucks a gallon. I don't really don't see this happening because of him, his advisors will be telling him its a foolish move.

Now that being said, don't believe for a minute that these low gas / fuel prices are here to stay. There will be a tax increase and as the domestic oil companies keep closing down and stacking oil wells as the supply goes higher then demand as they are now and it is, sooner then later you wil see the price of gas / fuel skyrocket.

With oil at $40-$45 bucks a barrel, the oil companies can't afford to bring it to market not to mention exploration. We did this in the 70,s when opec dumped oil and again in the 90's. The lower price of gas / fuel is slowing the flow of the oil needed to make the gas /fuel.
 

Moot

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Owner/Operator
Raising the gasoline tax to $1.00 or more per gallon is a way to pay for road and bridge repair. It is also a great way to modify behavior as in "encouraging" people to drive less.

Personally I would like to see the government modify behavior by giving citizens a $2000 "stimulus check" redeemable by getting a free government performed lobotomy. My very first lobotomy hardly hurt at all. Sure, I had a headache for a few days. I think I had a headache...ah, I don't remember. But it reduced my driving. At least for the first few days. Yeah, it reduced my driving. I'm almost sure it reduced my driving for the first few days. At least until the headache and burnt hair smell dissipated.

They can CanX my Load but never will they Pry my cold Dead fingers from my M-16. Hamas may be deploying suicide bombers on llamas but my country tis of thee, sweet land of lobotomy, to thee I sing. Raise my gas taxes. Shove it up our ashes From all the mountain passes, let freedom ring.
Avon calling.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
didn't "lobo tomy" do that song about some guy with a dog name boo and his girl friend travelin and livin off the land???:confused:
 

Moot

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Owner/Operator
Me and you and a dog named Boo expediting around in a van.

I can still recall the stockyard smell of South St. Paul.
And the morning we got caught buggering an old sow.
Old McDonald made us work, he paid us until it hurt.
Another tank of bio-diesel and we're back on the road again.
 

theoldprof

Veteran Expediter
Moot Sez "And the morning we got caught buggering an old sow." Moot, perzactly what were you on that particular morning?
 

Moot

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Owner/Operator
Moot, perzactly what were you on that particular morning?

I had like 7 or 8 cups of coffee man. And uh... a couple of mushroom omelets. Hey wait a minute. That was a few lines from that Tommy Lobo song. I couldn't remember all the words. But I'm pretty sure there was a line about South St. Paul and a barnyard animal. Or maybe it was a tractor or something.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
I'd rather have a bottle-in-front-of-me than a frontal-lobotomy.
 
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