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Bruno

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I just wanted to ask a few things to the forum about rates.


Lets start with cargo vans

Your rate would be.

Single van driver .80 PLM and .10 a mile for all okay deadhead miles and 100% of the FSC
Team cargo van .85 PLM and .10 a mile for all okay deadhead miles and 100% of the FSC

Straight trucks rates


Straight trucks single or team base rate $1.20 PLM .25 a mile for all okay deadhead miles and 100% of the FSC.

Extra's would be

.05 per mile for haz mat drivers
.05 per mile for a lift gate.
.10 per mile for fleet owners with 3 or more trucks. Each truck has to have a 65% in service each quarter or you lose the extra .10 until the next quarter if you wasin service 65%.

Refer Straight trucks in Elite or White Glove

Non T-val Straight trucks would get $1.55 PLM .25 for all okay deadhead miles and 100% FSC
T-val Straight trucks would get $1.65 PLM .25 for all okay deadhead miles.and 100% FAC

Now these rates would be for trucks that have haz mat drivers and have a lift gates on the truck.

Tractors

Tractors would get $1.45 PLM .35 for all okay deadhead miles and 100% of the FSC.

If your pulling your own trailer you would get.

.15 PLM for a 53ft dry box van
.20 PLM for a 53ft refer unit.
.25 PLM for a 53ft T-val refer unit.


Now loads from
0 to 99 miles would get .50 PLM on top of their rate.
100 to 199 miles would get .40 PLM on top of their rate.
200 to 299 miles would get .30 PLM on top of their rate.

Anyone who does a load from 0 to 99 miles goes to the top of the board after the load. They keep this status until they take their next load. They can take it out of service without losing that status.
 
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Bruno

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
OntarioVanMan said:
Even if it were a C class load?
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Yes. If the load could fit on a sprinter but was over 2500 lbs, I would let the driver take it at his rate or pay them a dry run. Then .80 PLM for a single and .85 PLM for a team.
 
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OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
IF you had a truck close enough to do that...you could.

Would you expect a D truck to haul C loads at C rate? All the time?

I don't think so...and the owner of the D would not be so happy either...He has an investment and expectation of a higher rate to cover that investment.

We sprinter owners are not any different...yet most carriers will abuse the sprinter...charge a C rate but not pass it on to the sprinter owner...

Why? Because the carrier think they are doing the sprinter owner a favour by jumping him up the load board with the load...But that thinking is all wrong...

Bruno..you are displaying the thinking of the Feds and P2...think Express 1....and the huge sprinter business and the disproportionate amount of sprinters on their fleet. Why? Because they pay for it.
 
Bruno

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
OntarioVanMan said:
IF you had a truck close enough to do that...you could.

Would you expect a D truck to haul C loads at C rate? All the time?

I don't think so...and the owner of the D would not be so happy either...He has an investment and expectation of a higher rate to cover that investment.

We sprinter owners are not any different...yet most carriers will abuse the sprinter...charge a C rate but not pass it on to the sprinter owner...

Why? Because the carrier think they are doing the sprinter owner a favour by jumping him up the load board with the load...But that thinking is all wrong...

Bruno..you are displaying the thinking of the Feds and P2...think Express 1....and the huge sprinter business and the disproportionate amount of sprinters on their fleet. Why? Because they pay for it.
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No, to be honest I don't really know much about Sprinters. But I know they get better fuel mileage than most cargo vans. I guess Express 1 would pay you more because it saves them .12 a mile if they pay you a dollar a mile then paying a Straight truck $1.12 a mile. So I guess you could look at like that too.

But more weight means more wear and tear a higher fuel cost.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Bruno said:
No, to be honest I don't really know much about Sprinters. But I know they get better fuel mileage than most cargo vans. I guess Express 1 would pay you more because it saves them .12 a mile if they pay you a dollar a mile then paying a Straight truck $1.12 a mile.
So I guess you could look at like that too.
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And we get about .08 cents less for the FSC...so shippers should be getting a better price...
E-1 has done a great job of selling the sprinter to customers...you don't see us sitting weeks in Laredo.
 
davekc

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Probably have a bunch sign up. A big handful of carriers are all paying below your suggested rates.
 
Bruno

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
OntarioVanMan said:
And we get about .08 cents less for the FSC...so shippers should be getting a better price...
E-1 has done a great job of selling the sprinter to customers...you don't see us sitting weeks in Laredo.
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I don't know because I never sat in Laredo longer than 24 hours. As for C unit loads or D unit loads. And Panther we get paid by the mile so it really don't matter. At FedEx Custom Critical a C-unit load is less than 5000 lbs so a D-unit saved money on fuel because the weight of the load was not the max 13000lbs load for a D-unit.

Most compaines don't set up there units like Roberts Express did

unit size

A units 0 to 500 lbs (Mini Van)
B units 0 to 2000 lbs ( cargo van)
C units 0 to 5000 lbs with a 14 foot cargo box with a DOT sleeper
D units 0 to 13,000 lbs with a 22 foot cargo box with a DOT sleeper
E units 0 to 45,000 lbs with a 53 foot trailer.
 
G

geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
i wouldn't get out of bed for $.80 a mile
in a sprinter
 
Bruno

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
geo said:
i wouldn't get out of bed for $.80 a mile
in a sprinter
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That's your choice. Just because its a Sprinter you feel that you should be paid more. Now the cost of a Sprinter is more than a van I understand that. But, that was your choice to buy a unit that cost as much as some straight trucks. I had a C-unit on with FedEx that had a 22 foot box but could only carry 11,500 lbs. I didn't get D rate because I couldn't carry 13000lbs. Now if a Sprinter could move up to 8 skids and could handle 5000lbs safely then I could see paying a sprinter more.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
So you expect us to take 3 skids of 60in high at cargo van rate?
Ain't happening and that IS my choice. Sorry Bruno.

Other then the sprinter issue,
your straight rates look more then fair...:D
 
cheri1122

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Seems to me that Sprinters should get their rate, regardless of whether the load would fit in a van - if the carrier had a van handy, which they don't, or they wouldn't give the load to the Sprinter, right?
The load I have onboard now [D unit] would fit in a cargo van [1 skid, 2250 lbs], but I'm paid the D rate, or it wouldn't be there.
 
davekc

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Too many Sprinters and it doesn't take any special licencing to operate one. Not going to see many companies willing to pay more for that type of vehicle with so many. Sorry, but that is how it is. With so many out there, the carriers feel little obligation to pay more. Only when they have no options will they reach into the wallet for a little extra. In OMV's case, it is because they can charge the customer for a straight and pocket the rest and still pay him a buck a mile.
Supply and demand.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
davekc said:
Too many Sprinters and it doesn't take any special licencing to operate one. Not going to see many companies willing to pay more for that type of vehicle with so many. Sorry, but that is how it is. With so many out there, the carriers feel little obligation to pay more. Only when they have no options will they reach into the wallet for a little extra. In OMV's case, it is because they can charge the customer for a straight and pocket the rest and still pay him a buck a mile.
Supply and demand.
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I understand where you are coming from Dave..

But when a shipper can get a sprinter for a lesser rate then a straight they used before the sprinter came along...they are saving money.

Most carriers made the mistake of giving their sprinters away and missed increased revenue.
 
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