Would NYC's Ban on Big Sodas Reduce Obesity?

EnglishLady

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Discovery News

A proposal to ban the sale of large, sugar-sweetened drinks in some New York City establishments is an important first step in combating the obesity epidemic but is not a solution on its own, experts say.

The proposal raises awareness about the problem of large food portions and supports a culture that consumes less, said Simone French, associate director of the University of Minnesota Obesity Prevention Center.


For instance, since the Coca-Cola Co. began selling its products, bottles often consumed as a single serving have increased in size from 6.5 ounces to 20 ounces, French said. "We need to have a cultural shift back to more modest, reasonable, appropriate portion sizes if we want to help reduce the obesity epidemic," she said.

However, others say the proposed ban, which the city Board of Health is expected to consider over the summer and would not be adopted before next year, might be largely a symbolic move with no real effect on waistlines.

The proposal "sends a really important message" that soda is bad, particularly in large quantities, said registered dietitian Katherine Tallmadge, the author of "Diet Simple" (LifeLine Press, 2011). But people could still consume large amounts of high-calorie beverages by buying them from places where they are not banned, Tallmadge said.

Soda and other sugar-sweetened, high-calorie beverages are known to be important contributors to obesity because people tend to over-consume calories when they come in liquid form, French said. The proposal would ban the sale of some sugar-sweetened drinks — including soda, coffee, tea, and fruit drinks — in servings larger than 16 ounces at New York City food service outlets such as restaurants, movie theaters, delis and food carts.

The ban would not affect grocery stores or vending machines, and it would not apply to certain beverages, such as fruit juices that contain more than 70 percent juice, and drinks such as lattes and milk shakes that contain more than 51 percent milk.

Experts agreed the general lack of physical activity in American culture and high amounts of snacking play important roles in the obesity epidemic and wouldn't be negated by this ban.

Large portions, large waistlines

Presented with large portions, people are not eating "just enough" to meet their bodies' needs, and perhaps saving the rest for later, French said. Instead they are consuming the entire portion as a single serving, even if it's 20 ounces of soda in a bottle, French said.

The ban would make it harder for people to consume so much of a sugar-sweetened beverage because they would have to actively order two or more smaller containers, French said. "By having to do that, it will make you more aware of how much you are consuming," she said.

And by getting rid of "bargain-sized" beverages, the ban would do away with the financial motivation people may have had for buying them.

"It's not surprising that people were purchasing these larger sizes because of the quantity discounting," said Lisa Powell, an economics professor at the University of Chicago's Institute for Health Research and Policy. The ban would take this option off the table, Powell said.

To the extent that the ban could reduce calorie consumption, a reduction in people's weight could be expected, Powell said.

Some studies have shown that outright bans of soda and junk food in schools did not significantly reduce the weight of students. But these bans focused on only one source of sweet drinks (those sold in schools). The proposed ban is broader and thus could have a larger impact on the population, Powell said.


But we will have to wait and see if the ban has an impact on obesity, Powell said.

The ban ultimately may help, but "we need more than just this," French said. "Obesity didn't happen just because of soft drinks, it happens because of a lot of things."

Pass it on: Experts are divided on how effective New York City's proposed ban on sugar-sweetened beverages would be in combating obesity
 

purgoose10

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Ya know whats funny about this. Drinks cost about 5c per drink to McDonalds and the rest. Do they care? No! Just give two for one. He hasn't accomplished a thing.
 

cheri1122

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Driver
Another waste of taxpayer money that benefits only the politicians who can cite the 'laws passed to [insert desirable goal here]' yadda yadda yadda...
Obesity [esp childhood] needs to be reduced [sorry!] but this is the worst way to go about it. Education and incentives for healthier alternatives & opportunities for activities that people want to do are a better way to approach the problem than banning one specific thing.
At least it wasn't chocolate, eh?
One thing restaurants could do is quit assuming that kids don't like veggies, [how many kid meals include them?] and offer the ones they do like, such as carrots with a light honey glaze.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
Honestly.....this is just stupid.

If one is used to ordering a 32 ounce Soda at a restaurant and is suddenly told all he can order is 16 ounces, then the consumer is going to take his 16 ounce drink and keep having it refilled.

Now, is NY going to ONLY allow said consumer to drink 16 ounces and then cut him off, or is this whole idea to try to get consumers to only drink 16 ounces? Old habits are hard to break.....If consumer wants 32 ounces of Soda...Government is in NO business telling people that 16 ounces is all they're allowed to have of anything.
 

scottm4211

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Honestly.....this is just stupid.

If one is used to ordering a 32 ounce Soda at a restaurant and is suddenly told all he can order is 16 ounces, then the consumer is going to take his 16 ounce drink and keep having it refilled.

Now, is NY going to ONLY allow said consumer to drink 16 ounces and then cut him off, or is this whole idea to try to get consumers to only drink 16 ounces? Old habits are hard to break.....If consumer wants 32 ounces of Soda...Government is in NO business telling people that 16 ounces is all they're allowed to have of anything.

No he's on record saying if you want to order two 16 oz drinks go ahead. Lol
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
That's the liberal mindset. We'll talk a good game and we'll pass laws that either do nothing or else only effect the law abiding while the criminals go right on as they were. Idiocy.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Government wants to control EVERY aspect of your life. What you eat, drink, drive or wear. They will control who lives and dies. It is called TYRANNY.
 

twentyhigh

Seasoned Expediter
You can lead a horse to water.......

We were at an amusement park recently and I noticed just how probably 75% of the people were overweight (myself included). When "convenience" foods are huge portions and full of preservatives, etc - just cutting out sodas isnt going to make much difference.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
No he's on record saying if you want to order two 16 oz drinks go ahead. Lol

Yeah.....I saw that too.

In other words.....Like LDB said.....It's a Liberal Mindset. So...if you want a 32 ounce Soda in NYC, and only 16 ounces of Soda at a time is allowed to be sold in NYC, you're gonna have to Pay Double to get your 32 ounces.

Sounds more like a "Sin Tax" to me.......doesn't it......
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
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So.....he's trying to come at it in a different direction.....

Yeah. He's tried two or three things in the past, but they required state cooperation. This one he can get through because it's the city Health Department.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Yeah. He's tried two or three things in the past, but they required state cooperation. This one he can get through because it's the city Health Department.

Government health service, the primary means of controlling a population. Once in place it can be used to outlaw anything. In the name of public health.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Bloomberg is one of the most liberal leftists alive, as RINO as they come.
 

AMonger

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You can lead a horse to water.......

We were at an amusement park recently and I noticed just how probably 75% of the people were overweight (myself included). When "convenience" foods are huge portions and full of preservatives, etc - just cutting out sodas isnt going to make much difference.

...and even if it could, it still isn't the business of gummint.

There was this former comic from the 60s-turned liberal nutcase activist, Dick Gregory, iirc. One of his causes was helping the morbidly obese. He gave an interview while working with one of his first clients, averring, "The government should be down here doing something about this!"

Simply amazing, the notions people have about the role of government. But then again, New Yorkers, like Californians and Massachusetts-ians, are i'm love with expansive government, so those three states, particularly, deserve all the oppressive, intrusive gummint they get. Maybe they'll wise up and tell the gummint to step off, and go cut the ribbon at the new mall or welcome a visiting dignitary or something. Aren't there potholes that need to be filled?
 
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