Why Work???

layoutshooter · Dec 13, 2010

witness23 said:
With out the chart this means nothing. We can argue all day long if it "pays" to be on welfare or not. The story becomes opinion and nothing more. Since the chart is the focus and proof of the story and supposedly confirms what the author(s) allegations of Welfare Benefits, and we cannot confirm if the chart is not factual or the numbers are actually correct, there is nothing to talk about.

All this is, is an attempt to start an argumentative dialogue, which serves no purpose other than getting people that listen or watch their shows "riled up", to keep up their ratings.

Which makes all the sense in the world when you search Mr. Emmerich's name, Hannity and a bunch of blogs come up in your search, and why we haven't been able to source the chart.

Welfare is one of the most corrupt programs in this country, along with Medicare and Medicade. They are causing FAR more problems than they are solving. NO free rides for able bodied people. IF you NEED assistance you should be REQUIRED to WORK for it. NO WHERE in our Constitution does it state that ANYONE is ENTITLED to someone else's wages nor does the Constitution give the Government the LEGAL authority to steal from one to give it to another. It is just WRONG. NO government program will EVER end poverty. I contend that welfare and other such thing CONTRIBUTE to the problem.

witness23 · Dec 13, 2010

As you can see, it worked.

layoutshooter · Dec 13, 2010

witness23 said:
As you can see, it worked.

That was and is the plan all along. To "enslave" the population by making them "dependent" on the "kind government" for their every need. There is NO disservice worse than that. Welfare, as we have it in this Country is EVIL! No worse way to die than to be "killed with kindness".

greg334 · Dec 13, 2010

layoutshooter said:
That was and is the plan all along. To "enslave" the population by making them "dependent" on the "kind government" for their every need. There is NO disservice worse than that. Welfare, as we have it in this Country is EVIL! No worse way to die than to be "killed with kindness".

So isn't the Social Secretary system also evil ?

Why would they enslave an enslaved nation?

Through the tax changes in 1917 and in 1943, we became an enslaved nation by a lot of people's standards.

So what else can there be? Not everyone takes welfare, but rather than to think that welfare is the problem, think of it as part of a three part issue we have - taxes, education and welfare/social security.

Getting the tax system changed helps, getting the feds and even in many cases the states out of the education system helps a lot, and then tackling the problem of entitlements.

Here is a start -

California's Parent Trigger - Los Angeles - LA Weekly

California as much as they do some really stupid stuff by some really stupid people, this one thing is not just the right move but also one that is needed across the entire country.

layoutshooter · Dec 13, 2010

Most taxes SHOULD be local. The Feds are out of control and it IS our fault. Education should be LOCAL, little or no State and NO Federal involvement, funding OR interference. Welfare etc is neither a state or federal issue. It is charity and charity is a GIFT. What we have is theft by government.

greg334 · Dec 13, 2010

AND all of that goes for social security, it is the biggest mess we have at any level of government - bar none. The intent was to provide help to those who retire, not to have them live on it or have those who didn't put into the system get a dime out of it.

I think the biggest issue we need to do is to get past this idea that we need to be like every other country. If France provides X, does not mean we should or need to.

By the way I was reading some study that a EU economist did about the US family unit (I can't find the link otherwise I would post it). He compared the family unit in 1976 and today, breaking it all down, from jobs, money, housing and so on and one thing that was actually really odd was health care. He said that health care when adjusted, only rose 8.6% for the average family unit. He pointed out how the rise in costs were counted by the improvement of technology, while the actual opportunity costs (he used another term which I can't think of right now) are increased by the fact that there are more things that come out of the intake of money in the family unit, Internet costs, cell phones, multiple cars, other related entertainment costs. Pretty interesting because when everything is adjusted equally and a removal of cell phones et al., the cost of living has gone up a bit more than what people think.

layoutshooter · Dec 13, 2010

Social Security is a joke as well. MORE proof that the government has NO IDEA in the world what it is doing and needs to just dry up and go away.

dieseldiva · Dec 13, 2010

witness23 said:
With out the chart this means nothing. We can argue all day long if it "pays" to be on welfare or not. The story becomes opinion and nothing more. Since the chart is the focus and proof of the story and supposedly confirms what the author(s) allegations of Welfare Benefits are, and we cannot confirm if the chart is factual or the numbers are actually correct, there is nothing to talk about.

All this is, is an attempt to start an argumentative dialogue, which serves no purpose other than getting people that listen or watch their shows "riled up", to keep up their ratings.

Which makes all the sense in the world when you search Mr. Emmerich's name, Hannity and a bunch of blogs come up in your search, and why we haven't been able to source the chart.

The author has pointed the way in his story for the reader to come up with his own calculations, if you're so disturbed by this whole thing, why don't you take a stab at it yourself.

I don't see why that chart has your head spinning.....it's a tool, and if you don't think it's correct then why not ignore it?

witness23 · Dec 13, 2010

The author has pointed the way in his story for the reader to come up with his own calculations, if you're so disturbed by this whole thing, why don't you take a stab at it yourself.

I don't see why that chart has your head spinning.....it's a tool, and if you don't think it's correct then why not ignore it?

Holy crap, my sig line has never been more relevant than now.

witness23 · Dec 13, 2010

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Originally Posted by witness23
As you can see, it worked.

layoutshooter said:
That was and is the plan all along. To "enslave" the population by making them "dependent" on the "kind government" for their every need. There is NO disservice worse than that. Welfare, as we have it in this Country is EVIL! No worse way to die than to be "killed with kindness".

Did you think I was talking about welfare when I said, "As you can see, it worked."?

layoutshooter · Dec 13, 2010

witness23 said:
Did you think I was talking about welfare when I said, "As you can see, it worked."?

Yep, I should have known better, eh? Don't tell me that you AGREE with "charity at the point of a gun?" You surely were not making fun of me, where you?

witness23 · Dec 13, 2010

layoutshooter said:
Yep, I should have known better, eh?

Well, yeah. Since YOU quoted and responded to my post which said:

All this is, is an attempt to start an argumentative dialogue, which serves no purpose other than getting people that listen or watch their shows "riled up", to keep up their ratings.

Click to expand...

You then went on your tangeant of why welfare, medicare, medicaid, social security, schools, and the government over all, are EVIL. The story that was written hasn't even been discussed, the numbers, if they were true haven't been discussed, all we have is opinion. Hmmmm......just what talk radio hosts and the hucksters on T.V want to happen.

Hence my statement of, "As you can see, it worked".