Why we don't regularly park at truck stops!!!

[BillChaffey]

Disposable Camera's are quite inexpensive, and some Digital aren't much more.

 

[Streakn1]

I would NEVER not call the police no matter how small the accident is. Drivers can change stories around and say you hit them. You have marks on the deck of the trailer and he could have said you backed into him. It's your word against theirs in a court of law. Because you didn't report the accident in the first place it can look like you left the scene of an accident.

The best thing to do is cover yourself. It can cost you thousands of dollars with a Lawyer to fight a case to defend yourself, just for not reporting an accident. Remember CYA is always the best thing to do.

Once the rules changed this year with CSA2010, one should think long and hard about calling in a small accident such as the one involving myself. Even though I was parked and not at fault, the report still shows up as your vehicle having been involved in an accident. Something one should avoid whenever possible, wouldn't you agree?

As for the tables being turned on me, two Air Force staff, one prior law enforcement officer, and myself all in the truck at the time it was hit, seeing his truck and cargo up against and on my trailer, four witnesses against one? Hard battle on his part to deny or accuse. Furthermore not only do I have a satellite time/date stamp of my truck being parked at that location, I have a log and four witnesses whom can attest to when my truck was parked in said space, and for how long.

Your points are good Dave, and all should consider based on their circumstances. As for mine, I think I am safe in having offered an olive branch of peace and keep my record clean. I'm sure he knew the consequences of his actions, why else would he have so readily moved rather than the cops dealing with him? I hate being an S.O. B. (and Lord knows I can be one) but I chose to give a driver a break, right or wrong.

 

[Streakn1]

Really?

Didn't call the cops or anything - I just posted something about how it is our fault that we have lower standards in this industry and this is a perfect example.

Really, as stated in my response to Dave. I made it perfectly clear what my options were to this driver and I clearly had the upper hand. He knew it. But I have my own interest to protect including my CDL,etc. Since the freight we carry marks up our deck as much or more, it was his lucky day. I decided to be nice!

 

[cheri1122]

Once the rules changed this year with CSA2010, one should think long and hard about calling in a small accident such as the one involving myself. Even though I was parked and not at fault, the report still shows up as your vehicle having been involved in an accident. Something one should avoid whenever possible, wouldn't you agree?

The carriers have filed an appeal of CSA's inclusion of not-at-fault accidents against their records -[ just one of the many things wrong with the system that was hurried into existence] but are drivers included?
If even not-at-fault accidents are counted against us, we're definitely put between a rock & a hard place when these very minor fender benders occur: ****ed if we do report it, and if we don't.

 

[Streakn1]

No matter what, if the oversized load scraped the bed of the trailer, it is just cause to call the cops. It isn't bumping into a the truck while backing up but something serious where people were knocked about in a sleeper.

You are correct Greg, I did have just cause and an option to exercise that option, or not.

It goes back to the lack of professionalism in this industry and I wonder what your carrier would think with this idea that its ok to just forget about something like this with one of their trailers and move on? They should be concerned about the situation that their drivers put them into maybe even at a customer's location. If you or others can't see what the difference is, it is part of the overall problem we all face.

That's the beauty of owning your own truck and trailer! When one leases their equipment to a carrier, most carriers only concern is when the truck/trailer is in service, under a dispatch in route to the shipper or under the load, not when the truck is empty, out of service, and parked. Accidents such as this would fall under the other driver's carrier insurance or my bobtail insurance, not my carrier's. They have no involvement or liability in this case. As for the other driver, I cannot speak for him or his carrier in this situation.

Damage is damage. It costs money to repair, it can be a problem when you are hauling a million dollar engine or a $500 worth of steel.

A six foot long scrape in the surface of my deck shall in no way create a problem (or risk) for the high value freight we haul.

If you don't document it and say there is a problem with a load that he secured at the point of the impact or structural issues with the bed, what is he going to do? It matters to him, the customer and should to those who that idiot driver may hit again.

His freight or trailer and the damage he may have done to it, or the freight securement device(s) he may have damaged or broken in the process of backing into my parked truck are of no concern or responsibility to me.

Most people don't call, this is solid proof of that, the guy hit the deck of the trailer and then acted dumb while the owner said go away - how much more of an illustration do you want to see of what the problem is.

Calling the cops doesn't always cover the problem of the driver but because there could be damage that can affect the load, then that covers the owner/driver's a** to ensure that it is documented. Makes me wonder what your carrier does to mitigate the risk to their customers, don't you guy have any training in how to handle accidents or incidents?

Yes we are professionally trained in this area regarding the handling of accidents. Since we own the truck and trailer and were OOS and parked, it would be our responsibility to mitigate any risk. Our carrier, our customers have no involved risk here. The trailer dealership has since inspected the trailer prior to loading the next load and found no damage.

 

[moose]

Once the rules changed this year with CSA2010, one should think long and hard about calling in a small accident such as the one involving myself. Even though I was parked and not at fault, the report still shows up as your vehicle having been involved in an accident. Something one should avoid whenever possible, wouldn't you agree?

The carriers have filed an appeal of CSA's inclusion of not-at-fault accidents against their records -
Don't hold your breath :
there are 120,000 to 140,000 reportable accident, and court order or not, the FMCSA seams to have better things to do. like finelising more rules to benefits the ATA (see HOS/drivers health/...)
here's a read :
FMCSA Working on Plan to Correct CSA Scores for No-Fault Crashes - Truckinginfo.com
but are drivers included?
IF i remember correctly, this is why OOIDA did not add their names in that particular case.

too short?

 

[moose]

well, S1, look at it this way.
at least you did not got hit by a tanker yanker
(or shell i say fender/hood yanker)

 

[paullud]

well, S1, look at it this way.
at least you did not got hit by a tanker yanker
(or shell i say fender/hood yanker)

It was a tanker that ran into the front of my parked truck, but he was from QC.

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[Streakn1]

Once the rules changed this year with CSA2010, one should think long and hard about calling in a small accident such as the one involving myself. Even though I was parked and not at fault, the report still shows up as your vehicle having been involved in an accident. Something one should avoid whenever possible, wouldn't you agree?

The carriers have filed an appeal of CSA's inclusion of not-at-fault accidents against their records -[ just one of the many things wrong with the system that was hurried into existence] but are drivers included?
If even not-at-fault accidents are counted against us, we're definitely put between a rock & a hard place when these very minor fender benders occur: ****ed if we do report it, and if we don't.

You are correct. Until (if and when) OOIDA, carriers, etc can get the current CSA rule regarding "not at fault" reported accidents changed, if an accident report is made by an officer of any agency, typically it will end up entered into a database that most likely will make its way onto CSA's database,etc. Getting it removed seems a near impossible task based on reports of guest speakers on the Dave Nemo Show and other trucking news media that has been reporting on this.

Changing the subject: Delivered empty engine stands, etc this morning to place where this and two other sister jets are parked. The airframes on these birds have expired and they in the early stages of being parted out. Engines, etc will be removed for reuse, and the airframes shredded where they sit into recycled metals.

Of the airlines we service, this carrier has some of the prettiest in the skies, like the one that has the front half painted like Shamu! the first photo makes it look as though that 737 would fit right on our trailer! LOL Her maiden flight was in January, 1988.

 

[cheri1122]

too short?

I think so - but what does that have to do with anything? Because you aren't exactly really tall either.....

 

[bluejaybee]

Changing the subject: Delivered empty engine stands, etc this morning to place where this and two other sister jets are parked. The airframes on these birds have expired and they in the early stages of being parted out. Engines, etc will be removed for reuse, and the airframes shredded where they sit into recycled metals.

Of the airlines we service, this carrier has some of the prettiest in the skies, like the one that has the front half painted like Shamu! the first photo makes it look as though that 737 would fit right on our trailer! LOL Her maiden flight was in January, 1988.

I have said it before and will say it again, you have a cool gig going for you. Never should you become bored doing this. I guess it has become the norm for you! Whereas to others, or at least to me, it is just amazing what you get to see and be a part of. Maybe I have a plane fettish?

 

[Streakn1]

I have said it before and will say it again, you have a cool gig going for you. Never should you become bored doing this. I guess it has become the norm for you! Whereas to others, or at least to me, it is just amazing what you get to see and be a part of. Maybe I have a plane fettish?

Positive comments like yours is a big part of why I like to share our photos and stories of what we do with the EO community. I know there are others in this group that enjoy aviation the way we do but may not get the opportunities like us to get as up close and personal with these magnificent birds as us!

In our job, just when you think you've seen it all something new and exciting comes our way involving the air industry.

 

[RETIDEPXE]

While at a Pilot just south of Waco, TX, a Mexican driver backing into a space pounded the side of an Ashley Truck door and sleeper so bad we could not force the Volvo's driver door shut with a pry bar. The perp kept slamming back trying to scrape past the initial hit to continue backing when the Ashley driver must have tried to open the door during the incident, why I don't know, but the door was really whacked. Mexican spoke very little english but the police were called since the damage was quite significant.

Quote "in our job, just when you think you've seen it all something new and exciting comes our way involving the air industry."

We delivered a small jet engine to GE in AL i believe and a well dressed gent met me at the dock and asked if I had ever been offered a tour of the plant. I was impressed at his offer and there in the middle of the warehouse was one of the first, if not the first, new engines built for the MD 380 Airbus exposed (no cowlings). What an awesome sight to see, it seemed like it was the size of a house. I dared not ask to take photos tho. Very cool.

 

[Streakn1]

We delivered a small jet engine to GE in AL i believe and a well dressed gent met me at the dock and asked if I had ever been offered a tour of the plant. I was impressed at his offer and there in the middle of the warehouse was one of the first, if not the first, new engines built for the MD 380 Airbus exposed (no cowlings). What an awesome sight to see, it seemed like it was the size of a house. I dared not ask to take photos tho. Very cool.

That most likely was the GE 90 jet engine. This engine is 23.9' long with an overall diameter of 11.2' and a dry weight of 16,644lbs and almost 21,000lbs in a shipping stand. Since any load over 102" wide is considered oversize, it must be hauled as a permitted load. Since our lower deck is 42" above grade we cannot haul this engine without the fan being removed and crated horizontally. Otherwise it makes our overall height almost 16'.

 

[Rikk]

You should be able to send dac a copy of the police report and any whitness statements/info and contest the entry.

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