Hey Joe...that comment from Star was not pointed at you....We have other experts here too ya know...
Why They Will Never Ban The Van!!
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Hey Joe...that comment from Star was not pointed at you....We have other experts here too ya know...
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
Hey Joe...that comment from Star was not pointed at you....We have other experts here too ya know...
I'm far from an expert. I'm just a redneck that hauled expedite freight for a little while. You should know that by now.
I wasn't thinking of you with that remark, not at all. But, you know, if I did post something questioning what you'd said, I bet you'd stay in the debate until we understood each other, or agreed to disagree. As opposed to just not responding because you think that what you post shouldn't be questioned. It's hard to respect someones position on a matter when they think they're above defending it.
That "redneck veedy, veedy strong" story made me chuckle.
That "redneck veedy, veedy strong" story made me chuckle.
It's hard to respect someones position on a matter when they think they're above defending it.
Impossible to respect someone who can't be bothered to reply to direct questions, absolutely.
That "redneck veedy, veedy strong" story made me chuckle.
Joe, I'm sure it was meant in admiration, lol.
Impossible to respect someone who can't be bothered to reply to direct questions, absolutely.
That "redneck veedy, veedy strong" story made me chuckle.
Joe, I'm sure it was meant in admiration, lol.
highway star said:
No idea what or who you're referring to, other than I know it's not me
heheIt can be viewed as problematic when someone 'defends' their position on a matter, becuz they can be viewed as argumentative and controlling, and sometimes people just simply have 2 different views and neither one is going to change them, no matter how much or for how long they are argued. It may not be so much that they feel they're above defending it, but that they don't feel like arguing it back and forth infi-nause-itum. Some people are given to debates and others are not. Personally, I had to listen to 2 of my (male) family members argue (or whatever you want to call it, to them, they were not arguing) incessantly about politics, sports, whatever, and I prefer to just state my case, listen to the other, and agree to disagree. Ok, so maybe forget the part about listening to the other.
Um, so let me say, I agree to disagree in this case.
(Is that long-winded or what???)
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
The "redneck veddy, veddy, strong" was funny because I fooled them. The skid looked heavy, but it wasn't. I lifted it with ease. My Uncle had the same type situation happen to him when he got out of the Navy. He was working at a plant and lifted something that it took 2 Japanese guys to lift and they said "white man very, very, strong". I like "redneck veddy, veddy, strong" better myself.
dhalltoyo
Veteran Expediter
OVM - Landstar requires semi annual inspections
Tri-State just intiated semi annuals last month
Highway Star - If you search back through the posts over the past couple of years a pattern can be clearly discerned. Many veteran drivers typically have recommended the first five companies listed on the EO Home Page as their "A" list. Two, possibly, three of those companies do require semi annual DOT inspections.
Cheri - Sometimes I do not get to read every post on a daily basis. If you need a question answered, or if I have not responded to a post that you believe absolutely requires an immediate response, please send me an email or a Private Message.
Aristotle - Whether you choose to stop, or log, in those states that laws requiring van to do so was not the issue. It was simply information that is the law in several states. Moreover, every carrier lease agreement that I have read has a blanket clause stating that it is the operator's responsibility to comply with all federal. state and local regulations.
Next question please...............
Tri-State just intiated semi annuals last month
Highway Star - If you search back through the posts over the past couple of years a pattern can be clearly discerned. Many veteran drivers typically have recommended the first five companies listed on the EO Home Page as their "A" list. Two, possibly, three of those companies do require semi annual DOT inspections.
Cheri - Sometimes I do not get to read every post on a daily basis. If you need a question answered, or if I have not responded to a post that you believe absolutely requires an immediate response, please send me an email or a Private Message.
Aristotle - Whether you choose to stop, or log, in those states that laws requiring van to do so was not the issue. It was simply information that is the law in several states. Moreover, every carrier lease agreement that I have read has a blanket clause stating that it is the operator's responsibility to comply with all federal. state and local regulations.
Next question please...............
David...And who pays for these inspections?
- Cheri - Sometimes I do not get to read every post on a daily basis. If you need a question answered, or if I have not responded to a post that you believe absolutely requires an immediate response, please send me an email or a Private Message.
Since you found time to chide a member for referring to "pencil necked DOT officers" as if that was too offensive to overlook, but you didn't answer several direct questions regarding your posts, one might be excused for thinking you're avoiding the question. I'll ask it again: are you aware that posting the words of other people (and I refer specifically to "The Old Paths", in this instance, but it's not the only time you have done it - or been asked about it, either) without attribution, or any indication whatsoever that they're not your own words, is called plagiarism? And that it's illegal, not to mention unethical & immoral?
That was the next question. It'll continue to be the next question, until you answer it. It seems a perfectly reasonable question to me - if you don't like the question, then maybe you should be questioning whether you're cut out to be a Moderator. Because a Moderator who can't (or won't) answer questions about his or her words is more liability than asset, IMO.
Blizzard, I'm confused: you say that shippers pay for the trucks to expedite, cause LTL can't get it there fast enough, then you say you could just run a whole bunch of LTL's (and hook up with local couriers to deliver, with all the logistics involved in that deal) and make more money, if you were forced to log. Huh?
PS You also said that shippers won't pay the straight truck rate to move 2 or 3 pallets - you are wrong about that, my friend, because I haul 2 or 3 pallets in a D unit quite a bit.
Yup, you are right Cheri. But, I do think customers request the Cargo Vans whenever possible in order to get the job done faster and for a cheaper rate. Also, there are a lot of customers who can put loads on vans; they just don't want to mess around with roll-up doors and what not. I stand corrected on that point, Cheri!
Thanks Cheri.....Still waiting.... what is a top tier carrier? In your opinion of course...
Ummm...
Ahhh....
O.K. I guess we now know what your very vague definition of "top tier" is.
So, what's up with not responding to questions about what you've posted? As an example, in the thread where you whined about being offered a load, I asked if you'd told dispatch when you'd be available next and you just ignored the question. You mentioned your laundry, dinner and that you told them when you were going to bed. The only thing they need to know is when you'll be available and you make no mention of telling them that.
2 inspections a year for a CV/sprinter is absolutely asinine and stupid!!
Maintenaince reports should suffice the insurance companies.
They keep increasing the costs to operate but nothing in return.
Technically thats changing the terms of the contract....
Maintenaince reports should suffice the insurance companies.
They keep increasing the costs to operate but nothing in return.
Technically thats changing the terms of the contract....
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
I too want David's opinion on what is a top tier carrier. I quite not except the 'what is there go look it up' go look it up answer.
Who really cares if you need an inspection, the insurance companies are the one's who care, remember it is all about safety and not who will get the OOS ticket first.
As for who requires it, FedEx did (may still), Landstar does (and they pay for it) and so does tri-state (who had and may still have a roving inspector). E-1 didn't give two ***** what ever happened, they wanted things moved.
As for who needs an inspection, I think because many of us who drive out there in the big wide world can't do basic maintenance (some can't change a bulb or really check the trans fluid) and not mechanically incline (WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT), it makes more sense to get a full inspection at least once a year if not twice a year. I have seen some pretty cr*ppy vans running up and down the road which a few look unsafe from just a glance and many driven too fast, too hard and not really taken care of, so between a truck and a van, I would think the van gets the short end of the stick.
The point is simple, most companies who want to ship things don't care how it gets from Point A to Point B. They don't care about how fancy the truck is (unless they are using it as a pr thing), if it is an appartment on wheels or a cr*ppy E350 with the doors tied together with a bungie cord. And they don't care about SAFETY in most of the time. What they do care about it the money and if tyhey are 'promised' a speicifc time to have it arrive, amazingly if some of you actally seen the cost to the customer by a few of these flat rate companies, they are charging truck prices - no discounts because the van is used.
Who really cares if you need an inspection, the insurance companies are the one's who care, remember it is all about safety and not who will get the OOS ticket first.
As for who requires it, FedEx did (may still), Landstar does (and they pay for it) and so does tri-state (who had and may still have a roving inspector). E-1 didn't give two ***** what ever happened, they wanted things moved.
As for who needs an inspection, I think because many of us who drive out there in the big wide world can't do basic maintenance (some can't change a bulb or really check the trans fluid) and not mechanically incline (WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT), it makes more sense to get a full inspection at least once a year if not twice a year. I have seen some pretty cr*ppy vans running up and down the road which a few look unsafe from just a glance and many driven too fast, too hard and not really taken care of, so between a truck and a van, I would think the van gets the short end of the stick.
The point is simple, most companies who want to ship things don't care how it gets from Point A to Point B. They don't care about how fancy the truck is (unless they are using it as a pr thing), if it is an appartment on wheels or a cr*ppy E350 with the doors tied together with a bungie cord. And they don't care about SAFETY in most of the time. What they do care about it the money and if tyhey are 'promised' a speicifc time to have it arrive, amazingly if some of you actally seen the cost to the customer by a few of these flat rate companies, they are charging truck prices - no discounts because the van is used.
Greg..I agree with you in general...I've too have seen some ah doubtful vans on the road....But .....I think if we meet the insurance companies demands some restitution should be made in the way of some kind of safety credit...ie: discount for meeting said criteria?
BTW....you ok? Your spelling really sucked on your post.
BTW....you ok? Your spelling really sucked on your post.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
BTW....you ok? Your spelling really sucked on your post.
Yea, I know it did... I had a bad night with the mother-in-law who may be in the hospital by the evening. No big deal, not life threating just son-in-law irritating.
Well the point is that some insurance companies want to maintain consistency across the fleet. Meaning that if a carrier has say 140 trucks and 75 vans, then it is easier just to say all vehicles in the fleet get inspected instead of trying to get some system in place that distinguishes a van from a truck. The other thing is liabilities, when an insurance company is part of a law suit, and they have to prove that they insured a road worthy vehicle, then it is a lot easier for them to say "here are the annuals and PM reports" instead of having to deal with a possible loss in court.