Why is it?

hello7

Seasoned Expediter
Why is it we take care of thrid world country And not are own here in the usa? What is nobody live in poor condition here or what?:'(
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
I suppose when you decide to put yourself in the roll of big brother to the world it comes with certain responsibilities..
As a father I would imagine that if one of my children had a drug problem I would shun him and his needs but hand a twenty to someone hungry...
Cruel? maybe but magnify the scenario to include the world and that is a tough shoe to fill.
Lame answer I know but recently I witnessed people diving into garbage cans for food that tourists had finished and I was appalled (to the point of tears) kept me awake all week so I researched hunger in the world and there is a difference.
America does not have children bloated from lack of food for 7 days laying on the edge of a refuse pile with flies licking the last bit of moisture from their lips and if so I challenge you to show me where..
We are a kingdom of lavish opportunity, where we toss empty water bottles to the earth and curse the people that claim we destroy it.
We have the privilege of driving our vehicles to the corner supermarket and buying what ever we want to eat and we cry about the price.
I could go on but will close with this..
We as Americans need to be a compassionate sort and give of ourselves
It is a gift or a blessing if you will to help those in need and if you don't believe me do a random act of kindness to anyone that your heart says has a real need and you will know what I am saying..
Would love to finish my banter but am busy trying to decide how many dollars to send my nieces,nephews kids and grandbuddies for Christmas..
Maybe I will set an example this year and send them pictures and bios of people their Christmas $$ helped.
Just a thought
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I was listening to Glenn Beck tonight and he was interviewing someone about his charity, which is the Huntsman Cancer Center in Utah.

It was interesting to hear that this guy is giving to the center something in the tune of 2 Billion Dollars over the next few years and hopes to die poor.

Now to me this is the way it is supposed to be done, not have the government or Buffet tell us how it is to be done.

Bill Gates gives millions away every year but not to the people who made him the money. Buffet has done nothing with his fortune to help the US and the best one of all Oprah who has given nothing back to the US outside of big giveaways to promote products (I have very personal dealings with her and her charity which is a scam to me and others who asked her to help).

You know what her excuse was to open a school in South Africa, a country that like ours is rich – she has tried to help but failed because no one wants to take her seriously. Ok Oprah, when did you open a school here and offer free tuition to at risk kids?

I was reading about welfare capitalism before the advent of socialized everything and to me we need to return back to this somehow.

But anyway the issue for me is we have no poor. No one in this country can claim to be poor by real standards and no one in this country can not say there is no help – there is if they just ask.

To me the homeless issue is one of two parts, either mental health problems or plain laziness. Sorry but many fall under the former and we pretty much dismantled the mental health system in this country and shifted money to welfare – something that has outlive is goal. The latter view being homeless as a freedom, some sort of vagabond or bohemian life style with a bunch of books that are out there telling how to live on the streets. I don’t include drug addicts for a number of reasons.

To me our poor have the highest standard of living and a proverty level of a rich Philippine. Our poor have cars, TVs and even dress better then I ever did – even with my $800 suit. These are not poor people, they don’t know what poverty is all about – which we forgot a long time ago what it was like to be poor. Instead we have poor with credit cards, with iPods and who are fat.

I always said that my generation, the last of the baby boomers, have never had to deal with any real crisis. We for the most part only had to deal with Jimmy Carter and that’s it. I think that many of my generation hoped for a depression, a big war or something that we could at least say we did something but we can’t, which is sad because if we ever have a depression, imagine that the suicide rate will be rather high.

At one time, somewhere in Virginia or West Virginia I was buying cars and went to several houses that had dirt floors. My return trip there this past year I found new houses, new cars and a lot of new stuff (a walmart came to town). One family was amazed that I wanted the ‘junk’ that there grandfather left in the yard and I paid with fifties and hundreds which the kids never saw before. I am not making this up by the way, it is something that bothered me a lot, and I felt I was stealing.

When you go to Africa for example, you see what real poor people live like. You can easily see dying children and parents who don’t have the strength to eat; you can see the lack of just wanting to stay alive, no more hope.

When I hear about this poor person here who can’t pay the car payment or their $2000 mortgage, I get p*ssed off because there is no reason for this. When I hear about the housing that is going up in New Orleans, I get angry because many of the people who want to return can’t play an instrument and can’t get the money to rebuild or the city refuses to allow them to tear down their own property (that is a perfect example of letting the city deal with it without our tax money – nothing has changed and no one is in jail for killing people).

Oh well I am getting away from what I am trying to point out.

I think that we can do better if there is no safety net for many to use, if we have real communities that help people out that live in them and if someone gets off their a** and does something for a complete stranger unexpectedly and without even saying who they are, it could make a big difference. It really matters if people do it, not the government or some politician saying they can do it for us.

AND one last thing, there is no such thing as a less fortunate or unfortunate person.
 

hello7

Seasoned Expediter
You know i went though a divorce two yrs ago it was hard on me i could have easly got on the welfare wagon see i thru myself a pitty party and was drinking and try the suidicde route well needless to say the women didnt win so but they wanted to give me all this help food housing money well iam hear to tell you i told them to shove it my mother had rise 4 young kids by her self for 10 yrs! she work for GM in willow run.


I remeber her coming home at night fixing dinner cleaning the house and taking care of us back then Michigan was going after dead beat dads at the time so we where living on what she made a week! Dont get me wrong we werent going hungery but i think it was 1983 they did layoff when my mothers subpay and unenjoyment ran out she went to the welfare offices and they told her she would get 289 dollars for four kids and her to eat for a month on.


Iam not upset with it because mom had to do what mom had to do but what frosted my ##### was i was at michigan works talking to my vet rep and I ask him why is there so my people here today he told me well some of the computers are down in the back and so they moved some of the people that are get cash assitist in the front they.

well came home did some digging and found out that the state pays them 300 dollars a month and housing expenes for them to come in for forty hrs a week to sit and learn the computer. Well i have a friend that was telling me he and his girlfriend live rent free i ask how the ##### are you doing that? He say she work at that program and all her bills are pay for up to three yrs.

He is a wrench for a truck shop make dam good money but he beating the systenand it just frosted my ##### sorry just had to get that off my chest before i lose a friend. He iam been unemployed for 2 mos now cant get unenjoyment looking for a job and he over there live in high on the hog so to say.
 

Jayman

Expert Expediter
I dont have a job right now. Not really looking though. Will need to start working about March. I have a partial income since I am retired military. But, if I needed to find "a job"...I could easily do so. Even in Terre Haute Indiana. (small town of about 60,000) I think McDonalds pays about $7.00/hr.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
My grandma is retired and can't work becuase of her health(dymenshia). Of course she is just about to old to be working. She asked about food stamps and they offered her 10 dollars a month.
I remember when I was a kid I had to pay for my lunch, but there was a lot of kids who got "free lunch". I never had money for a soda or a snack and the "free lunch" kids always had five or ten dollars in their pockets. I'm talking in grade school. It made me so mad. You know they ate for free because supposedly their parents couldn't afford the 90 cents to buy the lunch but the kids would spend 3 dollars at recess on soda and snacks. Then all the kids whose parents were collecting welfare always come to school in brand new name brand clothes. Me, I wore hand me downs and dollar store clothes with pride. My parents couldn't afford the name brand clothes.
It's just like me and my wife going to school. We are getting by on my disabilty, but they say I make to much for my wife to get any grants. We are doing fine. Getting by you know. Then we see these spoiled brats up there in nice cars and clothes. Always talking about how much money they blow on booze every weekend. The same ones get grants out the yim yam. Free money they don't have to pay back. Then you have the biggest joke I've ever heard of. Arkansas Career Pathways. It pays for single mothers to get their degree. I have no problem with that except for all the girls running around knocked up by their boyfriends refusing to get married because if they do they'll lose their free education and gas vouchers. Most of them girls are getting knocked up just so they can go to school for free. They aren't in love with the babie's father. So the kid gets to grow up in a broken home. I told my wife we should get divorced and just shack up and she can still live off my disabilty and get the grants. I said it as a joke but she got pizzed. I'll get of my soapbox now.
 

hello7

Seasoned Expediter
Jayman Iam not being rude here. I even went to mcdonalds here and they said and i quote ( You are over qualified to work here ) What the heck is that all about. It wasnt just one it was three companies that told me that. LMAO
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Greg..it always be the Haves and he Have not world....unless we go to a Star Trek type civilization...No Money society. Everyone gets educated and everyone contributes, all are equal. Where a person is judged by thier accomplishments and NOT the bank balance.
Back to reality...

As long as thier is money around there'll be scams, kickbacks, payoffs and bribes.

As far as Oprah if she did that sort of thing over here she'd prolly be called some sort of racist for helping only black folks. too much politics.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OVM,
I sort of agree, but as Ark pointed out something very important that many miss “I have no problem with that except for all the girls running around knocked up by their boyfriends refusing to get married because if they do they'll lose their free education and gas vouchers. Most of them girls are getting knocked up just so they can go to school for free.†This seems to be very true among a lot of the people who have been on some sort of welfare and many try hard to keep the money flowing.

An economist/sociologist wrote in the late 60's that the great society will cause the family unit be destroyed and she was laughed at and left her position at one of the universities, I think it was U of M, time has proven her correct. The thing is when you provide a means of emancipation from a marriage and accept people for their actions no matter how bad they really are, there are over reaching problems that we all have to deal with.

There is no doubt that we had a juvenile delinquent problem since the 1840’s but it was not as bad as it turned out to be in the 70’s to date. Many sociologist have pointed out there is a problem with a lack of male influence in the home and this is one of the issues facing kids today. In Detroit about 15 or 18 years ago, they tried to open an all male school for black kids to reach out to the trouble youth of Detroit, I and my friends gave $5000 to the cause because we knew that without father figures in the home, the kids are lost and it seems to still be a pretty bad problem in the city. Well the women’s rights groups, the ACLU and a bunch of other groups got together and decided to sue to open up the school to the girls. Well that put a stop to the plans to the school and now today (actually last year) they are reviving the plan and may already have the school open. This is not a black or white issue, it is a family issue. The most recent example was the killing in Omaha, and I have not read much of the person who did the killing but I have heard enough to know that we need to start changing our attitude toward some of these things as a population to solve the problems.

As I said we don’t have any poor people here when you use the world’s standard of poor, we have people that are considered rich who WE call poor - kind of sad when you think about it. I am against the SCHIP program for one reason, it applies to more than the people below the poverty level, some times up to 200% (or $44K) of the poverty level. IF YOU WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH "POOR" PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, CHANGE THE TAX SYSTEM - SUPPORT THE FAIR TAX - http://www.fairtax.org

About Oprah, I can only conclude that her move into the political arena by supporting Obama is strictly based on race and it proved to me what friends have said who are black think; she is promoting her form of blackness and not promoting equality in any way shape or form. The complaint has been made before and anyone to believe that she isn’t selfish and greedy needs to read about others who have given their fortunes away to help others. As for the school, when she announced the school thing, a lot of people get mad at her and rightfully so, there is a lot of work here to do with all children of all types first. As one person pointed out and I repeated, she made her fortune here, not in Africa and she has an obligation to help here first, not do TV shows to show she is helping someone by giving a car away that she didn’t even buy.

Oh hello7, McDonalds has an unofficial policy not to hire people who are middle aged. It seems that they may want health insurance and other benefits. I hit rock bottom in 2004 and went to every fast food place in my area and not one would hire me. I finally had a manager of a McDonalds tell me why – I was what she called a tweener, someone who is between college age and retirement and they don’t want tweeners. I later found out this is at a lot of McDonalds and I have yet really seen a lot of 40+ year olds working behind the counter outside of management unless they only speak Spanish.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I have a couple things to add. Oprah is not obligated to do squat. It's her money. Same as Gates. I'm glad they're involved personally with the charity, rather than giving it to an organization like Feed the Children, where half the food never reaches the villages. Worse yet is the UN, where very little, if anything, goes to the ppl; but rather the pockets of warlords or the members of the UN themselves.

In a money driven society like ours, there will ALWAYS be poor people. The alternative is socialism, where 99% of the population is poor, and everything is owned by the government. The main difference between our society and a socialist society is that if you are poor, you can get yourself out. If you are rich, you can get richer. Just ask the Clintons and Gores. Since the 90s, both families have fattened their coffers by hundreds of millions of dollars. Kinda strange since both are against rich people. Oh... only the people who aren't rich NOW, AND who don't agree with their philosophy.

Yes... the utopian, socialist experiment called the Great Society is the downfall of the family unit. Likewise, the civil rights movement contributed. But the one that was instrumental in wedging the government into ALL our lives was the Great Deal. I dread the possibility of a depression hitting the country. Depression breeds want. Want breeds voting democrat on a wide scale. This time around, it'll most likely mean becoming a socialist society. And liberals are like cockroaches... once you have em, you just can't get rid of em.

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
T-Hawk,
You are right about their money but don't think for a minute that they earned that money without the people that buy or watch.

There is something of a responsibility when one reaches a certain level of wealth and to be driven more to make more puts yourself into a position to be greedy. Gates is an exception as is buffet, both leveraged knowledge to accumulate wealth and produced in many ways tangible assets to the country but both have said it is us, the people at our level of income who need to step up to the plate and both are wrong. They are for taxing the rich, which is alright because they don't pay taxes and they are all for expanding government, which is the root of most social problems in this country to begin with. But I have yet to understand how a rich person can say I need to pay more taxes when they don't provide jobs or help people out in their country.

In Oprah's case, she accumulated wealth by selling herself as an entertainer and she owes the country for that. Entertainment is not a tangible asset to the country or people who are entertained, it is .... well.... entertainment. You only succeed or fail by the whims of the audience, not something you produce or make. I strongly feel that if you have a charity that takes less than 8% of your wealth and you parade around as a hero, than you should not be selective in who you help. I had personal dealings with her charity and I know first hand how selective they are and why they help only a few people, wrong way to run a charity. In the case of the school in SA, there is no other place on this earth that needs to have someone like her step up and help out her own race as here in the US. We can claim to have rich poor people but we have a greater population of people here that knowledge poor and the country is slipping faster than people realize and she knows it. She admits there are problems but instead of going on the champaign trail to help literacy or school drop outs or teen pregnancies, she is promoting a person who will not be good for the country.

The last thing that I find really puzzling is why do people think we are better off because we have welfare and social security or FEMA?

In truth, I would like to see Welfare and social security phased out for my generation, I don't think I will see a dime anyway so why worry about it and pay more taxes for something I can't use.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Very, very similar to spending short of a $Mil, to keep a bunch of dogs. And, you certainly won't get any good outa that either.
 
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