Where Is The Outrage? 21-Yr old MSU Student Dead By GSW

layoutshooter

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"There are big problems with trying these things in the court of public opinion..."


That is correct. I ONLY posted a summation of what the authorities are saying.

The problem was created when a LOT of people started mouthing off before the investigation was over. They started trying the case before the body was cold.

The 'jumping on the bandwagon" by the Jackson's etc serves only to help destroy what remains of our justice system.
 

muttly

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This has to be one of the most unfounded comments ever posted in here, but certainly consistent with prior entries that have no purpose other than to launch ad hominem attacks and start trouble. We're talking about two issues in the headline news and letting legal due process take its course. If there is any racism going on with either of these crimes, it's coming from the Revs. Jackson and Sharpton, and the New Black Panthers that are in essence calling for a lynching of Zimmerman - an apparent white guy - without regard to his legal rights.

I noticed a few news reports are referring to Zimmerman as "a white hispanic". I mean what?:confused:
 

muttly

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That is correct. I ONLY posted a summation of what the authorities are saying.

The problem was created when a LOT of people started mouthing off before the investigation was over. They started trying the case before the body was cold.

The 'jumping on the bandwagon" by the Jackson's etc serves only to help destroy what remains of our justice system.

I can't see the prosecutors not chargeing Zimmerman at this point regardless if it is warranted given the hysteria and uproar from Sharpton and the rest. It has caused such a ferver that riots and unrest will ensue unless they get what they want. We can only hope the prosecutions office will take a cold hard look at the facts and reach the right decision with regards to the law and not make a decision based on intimidation or politics.
 

layoutshooter

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I can't see the prosecutors not chargeing Zimmerman at this point regardless if it is warranted given the hysteria and uprGoar from Sharpton and the rest. It has caused such a ferver that riots and unrest will ensue unless they get what they want. We can only hope the prosecutions office will take a cold hard look at the facts and reach the right decision with regards to the law and not make a decision based on intimidation or politics.

Prosecutions should NEVER be based on public hysteria. IF they decide that, under the law only, Zimmerman acted in an unlawful manner, then and only then should charges be filed.

Giving into 'mob rule', allowing them to dictate above the law, will in the end, make things FAR worse.

IF they CHOOSE to riot, deal with that criminal activity at the time that it happens. Only mindless idiots would riot over a case that is still in the investigative stage. They will only hurt themselves.

Unfortunately, a riot is exactly what the rabble rousers want. They are looking for a way to cause maximum trouble, hopefully on a wide enough scale that the Feds get involved.
 

witness23

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The problem was created when a LOT of people started mouthing off before the investigation was over. They started trying the case before the body was cold.

There wasn't an investigation or at least a proper one done, that's the point! You do realize the incident happened February 26th? The family demanded the 911 tapes be released which didn't happen until March 17th almost a month later, the body was plenty cold by then.. Once the tapes were released and their was evidence (911 tapes) that their may be more to the case then what the police were reporting, that is when you saw the press and other's getting involved, which is a good thing.

The 'jumping on the bandwagon" by the Jackson's etc serves only to help destroy what remains of our justice system.

Destroying our justice system? All the family is doing is asking for proof that a proper investigation had been done the night their boy was shot and killed. And if there was any wrongdoing or a cover up, that those invovled be held responsible, including Mr. Zimmerman. If anything it is just the opposite of destroying our justice system, it is making sure that it is being preserved and working for everyone.
 

layoutshooter

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Gee, were you there? There has been SO MUCH BULL being spread it is difficult to sort through it. I have NO idea what investigations were or were not done. All I see and hear is a heavily spun story. One that, on the surface, seems like they care nothing about learning what happened.
 

witness23

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Also, for the justice system to work, you must first have a person under arrest and charged before you can have a trial.
 

layoutshooter

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Also, for the justice system to work, you must first have a person under arrest and charged before you can have a trial.

Not correct. The justice system starts with an investigation which, may or may not, lead to charges being filed.

There is far more to justice than a trail.

We have NO idea the truth about this yet. There may already be enough evidence to have made a determination that no crime was committed. There may not be.

I don't trust those who are looking to 'cash in' on the death of another. Like Sharpton, who has a history of lying when publicity is to be found. Like, the NAACP and UAW in Detroit, which being from the area, I can assure you is no where near Florida.
 

witness23

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At any event, it still doesn't excuse the original intent of the thread. Asking where is the outrage over a student being murdered where an arrest has been made and comparing it with the Trayvon Martin incident. It was a pathetic attempt of minimizing what is happening down in Florida.
 

witness23

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Not correct. The justice system starts with an investigation which, may or may not, lead to charges being filed.

You just repeated my point. The family is looking for proof that a proper investigation was done the night there 17 year old son died from a gun shot wound.
 

witness23

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What we have here and what is used all to often here in the soapbox is a:

False Equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
 

layoutshooter

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What we have here and what is used all to often here in the soapbox is a:

False Equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

We do not know what evidence there is or is not. All we do know for sure is that one person is dead. Nothing more.

Based on that there is no call for an arrest. At this time there is an investigation being conducted.

The BEST thing that could happen would be for all involved to SHUT UP.
 

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If and when they have enough evidence, then it will go to the grand jury for an indictment. They have already said that they can't get it through with what they currently have. Maybe that will change, but so far nothing. As for the investigation, the State and DOJ are running the investigation. The city is pretty much out of it. So far there has been no indication of a botched police investigation either from the state or the DOJ.
 

layoutshooter

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If and when they have enough evidence, then it will go to the grand jury for an indictment. They have already said that they can't get it through with what they currently have. Maybe that will change, but so far nothing. As for the investigation, the State and DOJ are running the investigation. The city is pretty much out of it. So far there has been no indication of a botched police investigation either from the state or the DOJ.


What is the DOJ getting involved with this for? This is a local issue, State at best.

The DOJ cannot be trusted.
 

davekc

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What is the DOJ getting involved with this for? This is a local issue, State at best.

The DOJ cannot be trusted.

That may be true, but they are here I guess watching the state investigators. So far they haven't said much other than accounts by Zimmerman "seem consistent with the initial investigation". Thats it as of their brief at noon.
 

layoutshooter

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That may be true, but they are here I guess watching the state investigators. So far they haven't said much other than accounts by Zimmerman "seem consistent with the initial investigation". Thats it as of their brief at noon.

Only time will tell. People need to back off and let things play out.
 

layoutshooter

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No, they need to stop trying to incite riots. What is playing out down there is REAL. This is not. Those people are being used and exploited for political purposes only. It needs to stop.
 
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